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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by wahnfrieden »

rurban wrote: post #6

I like that you could use swear words by paying for it. > You can purchase FarkUnits for $10 for 100 FUs, or you can get a discount if you purchase in bulk. > Using it is easy. If you type a word with "fuck" or "shit" in your comment, a new button will pop up that says "Add Comment using SwearJar - 20FUs." Just click or tap that and those words won't be filtered to the customary 'fark' or 'shiat.'

I preferred Something Awful's payment system, where you could pay to publicly shame other users for poor behavior

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by nik282000 »

barrkel wrote: post #175
that_guy_iain wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say the problem is that the user base are low value users. They're the sort of people who will do a mass protest because one for-profit company wants to charge another for-profit company money. Advertisers don't want to advertise to them, seriously. Any other company with a different user base with that amount of users and traffic would be making a billion a year easily. Probably multiple billions. But Reddit…

Thing is, high value users won't use a site that has no content. There's no there there any more without the userbase.

The vast majority of users on any platform are passive consumers, they are valuable only as long as they keep scrolling and viewing ads. The ultra tiny minority of users that are valuable to the platform 24/7 are the ones that consistently submit links, generate original content or post comments that bring in a lot of the passive users. The high value users will only leave when they loose the ability to upload to, and interact with, their favorite communities.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by raverbashing »

goykasi wrote: post #280
conradfr wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one of the most visited website/app in the world with highly cacheable and free content can't be profitable the internet is doomed. But did they try to be?

How is reddit highly cacheable? Maybe old/infrequently accessed discussions are cacheable, but the live set is too dynamic. So there probably isnt much of a win there. The feeds are definitely not cacheable (except for maybe on a per user basis with a low ttl). Popular and all are never the same upon reload. And every user is going to have a different combination of subreddits. Those feeds have to be generated on the…

- Cache for unlogged users, have a less dynamic front page (let's say 10s cache), that would help a lot

- Cache of most popular topics (again, even a 10s invalidation time) would help

For the logged users you could do something more dynamic, for example, cache the front-page snippets of the main subs + add the ones for the user. And again cache that

(unless the 'new reddit' makes this harder, to which I would say - well deserved! ;) )

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by wahnfrieden »

1f60c wrote: post #19
rurban wrote: post #6

I like that you could use swear words by paying for it. > You can purchase FarkUnits for $10 for 100 FUs, or you can get a discount if you purchase in bulk. > Using it is easy. If you type a word with "fuck" or "shit" in your comment, a new button will pop up that says "Add Comment using SwearJar - 20FUs." Just click or tap that and those words won't be filtered to the customary 'fark' or 'shiat.'

This implies that the website is really called fuck.com (but censored), which is certainly … a choice.

that's so obvious? Even as an American

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by that_guy_iain »

nsvd wrote: post #349
that_guy_iain wrote: post #301

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> The users have nothing to lose Reddit users have Reddit to lose. A site that gives them hours of entertainment, allows them to access support groups, find out tips and tricks, get advice, and much more. It'll cost tens of millions a month to host another. Who has that? VCs will get their money one way or another. Either they get their way with this and monetise users who previously were not monetised. Or they make…

Reddit isn't the only forum on the Internet. This one for example. Think about it like this, there are thousands of sites run for free by people who are passionate about certain communities or hobbies. This is what Reddit has tried to compete with, and it seems to be an uphill battle.

Reddit has for the most part won that battle. Most people create their forums on Reddit these days to get transaction from Reddit.

These smaller forums can’t compete with Reddit on the whole. Sure you have places like hbf forums, file sharing talk, etc which are better for that niche but when dealing with people wanting various communities in the same place there is no viable replacement.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Kye »

Onewildgamer wrote: post #270

I am wondering, HN can spawn a few subreddit like channels maybe with Image, Video support later. HN is the best place in internet that encourages good discussions, reddit communities can vastly benefit from the familiar UI experience, good enough backend. Maybe all the mods can write a petition to create HN communities and foster the communities here. Lemmy, kbin are all fine but come on I'll take HN any day over ot…

Relevant historical note: That's how Reddit started. In the beginning, it was just Reddit. Not much different from HN. Then they added subreddits, and what was reddit became /r/Reddit.com until they closed it.

https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by sclarisse »

jtode wrote: post #335
darreninthenet wrote: post #285

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How do you fix the problem for the average user of why the (eg) recipe group on their Lemmy instance is empty, and when/if they do learn that other instances recipe groups are different groups, how they properly follow them all, and why it is their favourite one suddenly disappeared because their instance defed'd from that instance because the other instance also carried trumpsfavouriterecipes? I get and like the pri…

People keep talking about having the option to take your content and move as though freedom was a prison. Likewise, the fact that there is a community of instances that have made the choice to have a pleasant space, free of troll farms spewing endless abuse, and are taking that seriously, really seems to have upset a lot of people around here. You can't get the_donald on Reddit either, because fascists make a room st…

I understood the previous remarks as suggesting problem isn’t strictly defederating the-underscore-Donald. It’s that defederation is an incredibly blunt tool, but one of the few tools available, and so you end up with some pretty obnoxious schisms.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by markdown »

I don't understand any of this at all.

Do most Americans really believe they're entitled to free access to Reddit?

I've spent years of my life on reddit, and enjoyed most of it. For that, I'm truly grateful to spez and all the others that make it work. I 100% support them charging for the service over injecting ever more ads.

It's bizarre to me that folk are getting upset and abusive because reddit wants to charge parasitic apps for the privilege.

I don't get it.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by geekpowa »

Audiences are fickle and audiences captured during a websites golden period of explosive growth steadily move away over time.

I am daily fark user for 20+ years. The site certainly is past its prime but this is just the natural lifecycle of many online communities I suspect. I wouldn't characterize it as dead. I wouldn't characterize its decline from peak popularity as caused by user-hostile actions of its owners.

I don't think fark is a useful cautionary tale in context of reddit. Probably a more useful example might be slashdot.

Fark has made changes: with its ux and its moderation policies and implementation of those policies at times, users grumbled.

It's perilous to actively antagonize your audience, to take away things from them that have genuine utility for them. A site dies when you drive away your key content creators and contributors. None of these things happened at Fark I believe.

Another useful example of a site that stepped back from the brink of mass audience exodus is onlyfans and their rolled back attempt to ban adult content.

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