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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Nux »

mr_mitm wrote: post #70
MattGaiser wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't find the ads at all objectionable on the old.reddit.com site. They blend in with the other content reasonably well (so you see a Jetbrains ad when on /r/programmerhumor), don't slow down the site, either fit the flow well or hang out on the side, etc. I find the targeting to be good enough that I look forward to the ads to a certain extent as I have found all sorts of fun products that way.

Plus, they have the Reddit gold program. Not sure if that is enough, but does Reddit really need 2000 employees and hundreds of millions of CV money? I have a hard time estimating what it costs to run a site like Reddit.

Wow.. Didn't know this. It sounds like something has gone wrong there. Good old greed maybe?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by lrem »

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #117
mariusor wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the demographics of present day reddit are very different from the ones of the ones of Digg (pre exhodus) or Slashdot (pre Digg). Most of the people will probably never care about any drama Reddit the company inflicts on some of its power users.

For sure. I don't remember Fark, but when Digg went from being a tech-centric site to a despicable spam bucket I do remember everyone fleeing to Reddit. Now that Reddit is trash, I guess all the serious tech people are already here... ?

Here being HN? IMHO it’s not competing with Reddit, at most with a sub or five. It’s also different to the point of just not being a replacement. Redditors are currently mostly looking at Lemmy. Not sure it’s ready for prime time either.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

bertman wrote: post #106
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

You forgot AI. Also: >Want to see a contrast? The new Digg (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4321773 What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

> You forgot AI.

You're right, but the reason I didn't include it is that the coverage around AI isn't all emotional. There's a lot of hype behind it yes, but at it's core it's based on new products that people are excited about. But maybe I should have. A lot of them devolve into the same type of hellthread.

> What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

Discussion about CSS and web design features, discussions about web accessibility, and how there were just very few flippant comments. These big Reddit threads have a lot of pithy "f** Reddit" comments and lots and lots of silly (angry) jokes that make me feel like I'm on Reddit and not on HN.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by gdubya »

zouhair wrote: post #72
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

Lemmy and its instances could be it.

Like Mastodon to Twitter? I like the idea, but it's not really taking off, is it?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by doix »

bertman wrote: post #106
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my question: Can HN recover from this? It was already getting choppy with the election and cryptocurrency generating huge emotional hellthreads. Then came Musk and Mastodon. Now it's Reddit. HN is just turning into another hub of tech outrage. This site is giving me pain to read now. Want to see a contrast? Look at the comments on this Reddit drama and compare it against the original Digg redesign drama on HN…

You forgot AI. Also: >Want to see a contrast? The new Digg (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4321773 What difference in comment quality do you mean exactly?

> OK, I fire up the site. I see 6 big pictures, 6 links to actual content and minimal navigation. A whole screen and only 6 bits of actual content? Its like a children's book. And more and more sites age going for this style. Is this the web now? The BBC Olympic site has gone this route and its awful to navigate. [0]

Wow, a comment about Digg in 2012 applies _perfectly_ to new Reddit, except I get 2 big pictures instead of 6.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4322126

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by yarg »

draluy wrote: post #116
yarg wrote: post #43

I can't help but feel that the only answer to this is peer to peer distributed social networking. But who has the impetus to make such a thing?

Mastodon?

They need to do a far better job of server discoverability as well as account transfer.

Needing to click through server after server with none of them accepting new users is a discouraging experience.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by yanderekko »

dacryn wrote: post #71
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

>It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

What makes the activists here think that they can speak for this 1%?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by dgb23 »

worrycue wrote: post #81
Gustomaximus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this lack of competitor is the key. When. people talk about Digg dying, that was during the Reddit vs Digg period. Now it's Reddit vs what? Many people love a drama so will beef this event up, but I suspect they will be back to usual soon enough. At the same time I feel Reddit should respond to this with something positive for general goodwill as there is value in that for the day there is an alternative. Whi…

> Now it's Reddit vs what? For tech news, you are looking at it. For everything else there is YouTube + comment section, stack exchange, Discord channels, … People don’t necessarily need a “clone” replacement. Edit: OK. What exactly is so offensive about this post? People use Reddit in different ways. Those others site may be perfectly good substitutes for them. If you want a “feed” you can comment on, YouTube can do…

There’s a niche of medium lived discussions that are paced slowly and contextualized that the model of hn and reddit serve. The examples you gave don’t seem to fit.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by notimetorelax »

dacryn wrote: post #71
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Followed some of the links shared here, I fully agree now that the CEO should go. Earlier, he compromised the integrity of people’s speech by editing their posts: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/reddit-edit-post
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