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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by sillysaurusx »

nvy wrote: post #24
ramraj07 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sincerely hope Reddit feels the pressure and goes back, they have taken a bet in a different landscape as Digg: 1. The vast majority of Reddit users (maybe not the contributors) use the native app. I myself do as well. So this api change doesn’t affect me immediately (of course it does indirectly by restricting moderation and bots). 2. I open Reddit today and it’s different but not inferior. I’d argue the rea…

>The vast majority of Reddit users (maybe not the contributors) use the native app. I myself do as well. The idea that you'd willingly use an app with baked-in ads is insane to me, to say nothing of the fact that the official app performs very poorly and could charitably be described as "dogshit UX".

It’s mostly inertia. I use the native app too, because I had no idea there was anything better till now. It just never came up for me.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by rapsey »

nvy wrote: post #26
hackernewds wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and when you try to rein in expenses to show less ads, the community begins to propose $10M buyouts and every refrain from reasonable optimizations of their API calls.

It's patently obvious that they're just trying to drive up ad impression numbers on the app to inflate their financials before IPO/acquisition.

Reddit is still not profitable.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by [deleted] »

rapsey wrote: post #17
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by sedatk »

brokenkebaby wrote: post #5

And what exactly is user-hostile there? It doesn't look beautiful to my tastes, but functionally nothing is particularly complicated to understand.

Infinite scroll, for example, makes it easy to lose your reading progress with a simple refresh/reload. Paged UIs, on the other hand, don’t have that problem.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by mosen »

hackernewds wrote: post #23
rapsey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

and when you try to rein in expenses to show less ads, the community begins to propose $10M buyouts and every refrain from reasonable optimizations of their API calls.

Spez?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by raverbashing »

SilkRoadie wrote: post #28
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

Twitter killed a lot of third party apps and it just grew and grew. I suspect there is a vocal minority complaining about these changes. Most sub’s are going dark for 2 days. Time will pass and Reddit will continue to have a highly active user base.

But it kept and incorporated Tweetdeck, for the "pro" users

Their mobile app also incorporated a lot of features and it is not a POS like the Reddit app

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by jug »

nvy wrote: post #24
ramraj07 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I sincerely hope Reddit feels the pressure and goes back, they have taken a bet in a different landscape as Digg: 1. The vast majority of Reddit users (maybe not the contributors) use the native app. I myself do as well. So this api change doesn’t affect me immediately (of course it does indirectly by restricting moderation and bots). 2. I open Reddit today and it’s different but not inferior. I’d argue the rea…

>The vast majority of Reddit users (maybe not the contributors) use the native app. I myself do as well. The idea that you'd willingly use an app with baked-in ads is insane to me, to say nothing of the fact that the official app performs very poorly and could charitably be described as "dogshit UX".

I’ve seen the same in comment threads outside of Reddit and I think many are simply not aware or care to try the third party apps and are quite used by ads in online services at this point, so this is not by itself a factor that have them questioning their choice.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Gustomaximus »

jwrallie wrote: post #22
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

I think this lack of competitor is the key. When. people talk about Digg dying, that was during the Reddit vs Digg period.

Now it's Reddit vs what?

Many people love a drama so will beef this event up, but I suspect they will be back to usual soon enough. At the same time I feel Reddit should respond to this with something positive for general goodwill as there is value in that for the day there is an alternative.

While never going to actually happen, I'd find it funny if people flooded to communities.win, the forum Trump supporters setup when they were pushed off Reddit. Would be great irony.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by MattGaiser »

rapsey wrote: post #17
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

I personally don't find the ads at all objectionable on the old.reddit.com site. They blend in with the other content reasonably well (so you see a Jetbrains ad when on /r/programmerhumor), don't slow down the site, either fit the flow well or hang out on the side, etc.

I find the targeting to be good enough that I look forward to the ads to a certain extent as I have found all sorts of fun products that way.

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