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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by worrycue »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #39
jwrallie wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

I think this lack of competitor is the key. When. people talk about Digg dying, that was during the Reddit vs Digg period. Now it's Reddit vs what? Many people love a drama so will beef this event up, but I suspect they will be back to usual soon enough. At the same time I feel Reddit should respond to this with something positive for general goodwill as there is value in that for the day there is an alternative. Whi…

> Now it's Reddit vs what?

For tech news, you are looking at it.

For everything else there is YouTube + comment section, stack exchange, Discord channels, …

People don’t necessarily need a “clone” replacement.

Edit: OK. What exactly is so offensive about this post?

People use Reddit in different ways. Those others site may be perfectly good substitutes for them.

If you want a “feed” you can comment on, YouTube can do that.

You want questions answered, Stack Exchange.

If you only visit small specialised tightly moderated subreddits, Discord channels will probably work just fine.

Reddit is a means to an end. There are others ways to communicate on the internet.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Mindwipe »

hackernewds wrote: post #23
rapsey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

and when you try to rein in expenses to show less ads, the community begins to propose $10M buyouts and every refrain from reasonable optimizations of their API calls.

The community is not proposing $10 million dollar buyouts. That is literally a joke that if the API has the value Reddit claims (which it doesn't) then they are defacto putting those sorts of valuations on the app.

Reddit already bought a third party app with Alien Blue, and they ruined it so badly that they had to close it down and start again. Nobody wants Reddit in charge of the third party clients, they have awful UI designers and a user hostile UX team. The whole point of a third party client is that it has to actually design a UI that it's users like, or it dies.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

#83

Post by littlestymaar »

Apocryphon wrote: post #48
jwrallie wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

I would joke that 9gag is the natural Reddit competitor, but I also want to point out that somehow 9gag is a YC startup.

9gag is a competitor for the “shitposting” part of Reddit, but not for the serious part.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Kiro »

I don't think this is true. The redesign was not bad and the reaction is the classic one that happens for all redesigns, good or bad. After a while people acclimatize to the new design and feel that's the original one. If you revert the redesign after that people will shout "bring back the old design!" even if that's exactly what you did.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by mike_d »

antupis wrote: post #58
rapsey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the business model is terrible. You need to sell ads to survive and the ads ruin the site.

Current ads at Reddit are not that bad, it is nothing like youtube which is borderline unwatchable at the moment. But for Reddit general there is like lot of astroturfing currently and if Reddit could start capturing some value from that and same time show for regular user that this is commercial/pr account would be win-win for Reddit and regular users.

I would bet money that Reddit has the highest percentage of ad blocking users. Either by way of browser extension or third party apps. They just don't have enough impressions to cover the outlandish costs associated with running the site. Combined with lax content moderation policies, advertisers see more value going with third parties that can push a viral story about a product to the homepage.

There is no one problem with Reddit, and that is the problem. They have to reboot and build Facebook 2.0 (or whatever) without a highly fickle user base turning tail and running. Rock, meet hard place.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by jfengel »

That was 16 years ago, and it's going along just fine.

I don't think it ever held a really dominant position. It was never famous or well known. It seems content to have a loyalish fan base who either see ads or pay to remove them. That seems to pay to keep it alive and a smallish staff to keep it running, and it doesn't seem to desire any more than that.

The comments right from the beginning of that thread are sarcastic about how everyone else seems to act as if the world has ended at every redesign. It's hardly user hostile. It just gives enough for a decent conversation on news items that rarely merit more than a few laughs and sarcastic comments. They keep it light with aggressive moderation, and that seems to suit the people who fund it. And it doesn't have any aspirations higher than that.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Gareth321 »

libraryatnight wrote: post #55
jwrallie wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

Anecdotal feeling alert: I think some people won't need an alternate. I am just letting reddit go. I don't get enough value from it to care of it exists anymore. I let Twitter go after the free speech absolutists super sensitive filter flagged me for saying I hope Microsoft burns for what a nightmare they've made their os (trying to help a non savvy user use a local account), I did the automated appeal assuming conte…

This is a good take. I’m getting nothing out of Reddit. It’s time to touch some grass.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by MaKey »

deafpolygon wrote: post #69
SllX wrote: post #47

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One of the major differences is that there’s no clear alternative. Digg and Reddit had a lot of overlap in what they were trying to do immediately prior to Digg’s redesign. Reddit was an obvious place to go if you preferred Digg up until that point. Now what’s the clear alternative to Reddit? Discord is probably the closest just from a UX perspective and I expect to be finding stuff there that I used to find on Reddi…

How is Discord even a closest alternative? Everything is on its own "server" and conversations happen in real-time, not async like Reddit.

I hate Discord for killing classic forums and therefore robbing us of good searchable niche content.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by [deleted] »

Apocryphon wrote: post #48
jwrallie wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were times like this in the past (the changes when Pao became CEO and later the censorship through quarantining of multiple subreddits came to my mind, but there were others). I think the main reason there was no exodus similar to Digg's is not due to good policy on Reddit's side (it became increasingly worse over time) but the lack of a competitor that could quickly scale to receive a migration without going d…

I would joke that 9gag is the natural Reddit competitor, but I also want to point out that somehow 9gag is a YC startup.

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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by EdwardDiego »

mrtksn wrote: post #74
boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

As much as I would like to believe that boycotts can work, I'm just too cynical after seeing all those boycotts doing nothing. My old.reddit.com homepage hasn't change much. Missing is r/ProgrammerHumor but r/Programming is there, alongside with r/darksky, r/wallstreetbets etc. All the porn seems to be there too, which might actually move some numbers if gone dark. The only sub which I care and it's gone is r/StableD…

Don't forget the international dateline :) The 12th of June is a poorly specified target.

But I know that /r/programming has two Reddit administrators as part of the mods, so I'm not surprised they're not going dark.

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