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Post by asveikau »

tomcam wrote: post #350
wpietri wrote: post #87

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Twitter too! When I worked there they jokingly referred to the head of product as the defense against the dark arts teacher, in that every year or so they'd disappear mysteriously and there'd be a new one. Most of Twitter's successes came from watching what users were actually doing and supporting that (e.g., at mentions, retweets, quote tweets). Many of their failures have been trying to graft on something irrelevan…

How is Twitter rapidly decaying? I am a daily, but very light user so I may not be observing the trends as well as you.

I don't know if this is true, but I heard that recently, searching Twitter for "cats" led you to videos of cats being mutilated. The story continued that Elon had fired the entire team devoted to preventing such outcomes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-removes-autocomplete...

Somehow hearing this story made me picture my daughter, 10, searching for cat videos.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by smeagull »

jcims wrote: post #34
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

They lasted long enough for there to be no real competitors.

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Post by ihuman »

Monotoko wrote: post #354
mynameisvlad wrote: post #268

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How? Apollo’s dev never released the source code to the app, only the server which sends out push notifications.

Sideloadly and a lot of messing about, it doesn't need to be jailbroken though. While it's still here: https://old.reddit.com/r/jailbreak/comments/145y787/tutorial...

That sub is private now

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #531
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #449

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> It seems the Apollo dev has been throwing around some misinformation. Please point out, specifically, where he has done this. Otherwise, STFU. To be clear, it's not like I've been following every one of his posts, so it's quite possible he said things that aren't accurate. So far, though, I've seen nothing but vague accusations against Christian, and when he did call bullshit and brought the receipts to back it up,…

1. He said he spends $166 / 50 million Imgur API requests. He must have a sweetheart deal because I see the prices at $3,333 / 50 million API requests (and if you go above that, it gets crazy expensive FAST) 2. Moderator actions are exempt from the API charges... But I think this decision was made after things had blown up.

So fine, he was grandfathered in at a lower price (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36214427) - that doesn't mean he was being untruthful in any way, and as that linked thread shows most API changes have a much longer lead time. Reddit's sole goal was to kill all third party apps, and they were obviously successful.

The thing about "moderator actions being exempt from API changes" is just plain silly. If you're going to put time into making a third party app, you still have to shut down even if the mod parts of your app are free if the cost of other users is untenable.

Every single 3rd party app that I've even heard of is also shutting down, so how people can try to spin this as something specific that Apollo did is baffling to me.

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Post by hyperthesis »

wpietri wrote: post #87
jcims wrote: post #34

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Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

Twitter too! When I worked there they jokingly referred to the head of product as the defense against the dark arts teacher, in that every year or so they'd disappear mysteriously and there'd be a new one. Most of Twitter's successes came from watching what users were actually doing and supporting that (e.g., at mentions, retweets, quote tweets). Many of their failures have been trying to graft on something irrelevan…

myspace managed to be killed

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Post by nomdep »

wpietri wrote: post #366
tomcam wrote: post #350

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How is Twitter rapidly decaying? I am a daily, but very light user so I may not be observing the trends as well as you.

Traffic is down modestly, revenue is down dramatically, outages are up, bugs are up, abuse is up, many users have departed, and the value of the company has fallen by something between half and two thirds. One of its core assets, the blue checkmark for verified notable accounts, has been permanently destroyed. I no longer use it, but word from my friends who still do is that is has become grimmer, less fun. Musk has…

> I'd suggest Casey Newton's articles on it

That explains why the rest of your comment doesn’t make sense to me. IMHO Casey Newton is a vulture journalist. He specializes in exaggerate and twist every minor problem he can find in tech companies.

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

andruby wrote: post #458

Have the makers of the 3rd party clients considered creating a reddit clone? Technically that’s not too hard. Moreover, these clients have a large user base. Some even have revenue. I guess the most tricky part is content moderation. Has this been discussed or proposed anywhere?

As an example, Apollo has around 50k paying members currently. Even if we say 10% are really hardcore ones and will jump ship (and not just use Reddit’s default app which is decent if not feature rich), how many of those 10% will still retain Reddit as a parallel app, and how many of those will get frustrated very fast because growth is very hard in this space owing to federated nature of upcoming social networks and growing personal server costs and the time it will take for that social network to become mature like reddit. Will the remaining ones who stuck with the new ship and probably brought new members as well as part of scaling, be enough to generate enough revenue for those apps to continue investing in the new social network?

Also, what I have understood with these Reddit 3rd party app developers - seeing multiple ones over the years from Alien Blue to Readit to Apollo - is that these guys are pretty good at understanding complexity and solving it via their good designs but a social network is not just all this as we have seen with Reddit itself and now twitter. It’s about moderation, nurturing communities, formulating effective user friendly policies across communities and much more. Which none of these app developers have experience with.

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Post by opello »

not_a_shill wrote: post #397
Someone1234 wrote: post #299

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Reddit announced this price 30-days before they planned to enforce/charge it. If there was any doubt at all that Reddit wasn't trying to ban third-party apps with deniability, then that should settle it. That isn't reasonable. Plus $2.5 to Reddit, means that apps need to charge $3.60 before 30% App-Store fees. But the app developer also needs new infrastructure to handle the billing, payment, and tracking, between en…

People would pay $5 a month. They do on discord for...animated emoticons. It's actually hard to believe people are throwing this big a fit over something they don't deem worthy of $5 a month.

I think it's because Reddit came to a solution that put a rather large and sudden burden on the app developers.

Had it been something like "starting next year only Premium users will get to auth to the API" (which is analogous to the $5/mo. of Discord Nitro) the lead time would have been greater and the users would have been able to solve the problem of access on their own.

I imagine this being less desirable when individuals have multiple accounts.

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Post by unshavedyak »

joseph8th wrote: post #520
unshavedyak wrote: post #124

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I think they're right. Lemmy/Kbin exist, but they're not ready for it. They're in a worse (less mature) place than Mastodon was with Twitter, and even that was rough. With no alternative i think Reddit will be fine in this storm. I see many posts on Kbin/Lemmy discussing Reddit addiction, how they can leave it, etc, and those are niche people. The majority of Reddit users i suspect won't even know anything is wrong i…

Interestingly, I've found Lemmy to be surprisingly engaging and active after just a day of Reddit Migration. Sure, there's still a lot of "Reddit sucks" posts, but certainly not all, or even close to the majority. I was on Mastodon for the Great Twitter Migration of Nov. 2022, and yeah... it was pretty hard to watch. Never have used Twitter, but I saw a lot of Twits struggling with Mastodon. I don't think the migrati…

Agreed, and i should clarify that i didn't mean it was inactive or w/e, i just think it's less mature of a tech stack, less active as a whole, etc than Mastodon was in it's time of need. That difference i think has a meaningful impact on how quickly new instances can spin up, tooling available, UX of users, native mobile apps, etc.

The shiny things that keep "normal users" around.

Which isn't to say that it is plagued with problems or anything. I just think we have to remember that Federation and a FOSS development model alone will bring a large pile of challenges and confusion to the average user. As you said, we saw it with Mastodon. That friction is survivable if framed right, but any additional friction will be meaningful for normal users. Just my opinion of course, not making any factual statements here.

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Post by pawptart »

shagie wrote: post #478
wpietri wrote: post #376

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If Reddit just cared about having the ads, they could have a free version of the API that includes the inline ads. Or otherwise work with API users to blend in the ads for user-facing clients. They could even kick back a share of that revenue to client makers. As far as I know they're not doing any of that. To me it looks like the goal is to wall off all the user-generated content in an attempt to extract maximum dol…

What guarantee is there that those inline ads would be rendered by the 3rd party client? What incentive is there for the API users to add in ads that reddit serves for the 3rd party client users? Can reddit be guaranteed get a share of the revenue for the IAP of "block all ads?" Is it worth it for reddit to do it when they can't control the price of said IAP ($0.49 for "block all of Reddit's ads")

Right? That's what I've never understood. Putting ads in the API is irrelevant, since the 3rd party clients will just ignore them.

The Reddit that the loud minority wants is never, ever coming back. These protests are just a blip -- if you don't like what Reddit has become, your only recourse is to leave.

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