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Post by JaumeGreen »

GenerWork wrote: post #359
istillwritecode wrote: post #330

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I will continue to use reddit.

Same. One thing that I've noticed is that this seems to be a rebellion of power users and not the average Joe, which is why this has gotten so much traction on HN. To the Average Joe, if Apollo shuts down, they'll just download the Reddit app. However, HN users look at the Apollo dev and see themselves, so they're jumping on this out of solidarity. I personally think this will last a few days and then all the default…

The decisions that reddit has taken were not affecting me for now. The new ui was horrible for my use case (text subreddits and focusing on the debate) so I was a old.reddit user.

But the way the direction is going, and some experiences in some subs have made me take a decision, and my 12+ year account is no more.

It won't matter, and probably reddit will survive, be it as strong as it is now or in a diminished state. But I'm tired of this kind of directives in these kinds of companies.

I hope that leaving that, and not having Instagram or Facebook on the phone, might give me a little push on being more productive. Wish me luck.

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Post by djbusby »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #335
dasil003 wrote: post #327

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Meh, Twitter and Reddit monetize just fine with ads. The problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die. These are not bad businesses, they're just small compared to Facebook or Google. What's needed is mature leadership that recognizes the value comes from the community, and following the private equity playbook of strip-mining the value is short-sighted.

> problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die Is "VC" tech's catch-all for capitalism? Reddit is pining to go public and Twitter just LBO'd. Neither is having its chain yanked by venture capital.

The chain is yanked whem you raise your first round. The yanking stops at Exit/IPO

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Post by mostlysimilar »

fnimick wrote: post #39
atleastoptimal wrote: post #16

Is the inevitable fate of any social media site to be antagonistic to its most dedicated users?

Yes: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/ First, platforms are good to users to attract them. Then, they abuse users to attract advertisers. Then, once they think they have a moat, they abuse both sides to extract as much money as possible before it all crashes down.

Link to the same article on his personal blog: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Why? It's right the header:

> No trackers, no ads. Black type, white background. Privacy policy: we don't collect or retain any data at all ever period.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

hartator wrote: post #345
mynameisvlad wrote: post #268

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How? Apollo’s dev never released the source code to the app, only the server which sends out push notifications.

> How? And why? Before a few days ago, it wasn’t an issue at all.

I mean the reason should be plainly obvious if you’ve been following the last few days.

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Post by SantalBlush »

twelve40 wrote: post #279
oilchange wrote: post #150

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> You'd need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics. People forget that reddit was popular and succeeded during the digg migration because it was pro free speech and minimally moderated. It was one of the reasons people migrated to reddit instead of here. The first 10 years of reddit, the community and the company prided themselves on being a "free speech platform."…

> it was not censored like HN! I don't feel like HN is censored. Does anyone think HN is censored? dang steps in mostly with technical edits or to break up a particularly nasty fight once in a while, can this really be called censorship? of course, you can take a karma hit from other people, but reddit always had that as well.

If a comment or post is particularly unpopular, it can get flagged here, even if it is perfectly civil.

Example: The problem with “doing your own research” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31334034

Yes, there is censorship on HN, but it's typically enacted by users instead of mods.

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Post by wpietri »

bottlepalm wrote: post #348
eshack94 wrote: post #194

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The entire goal of these API changes is to intentionally price third-party app developers out of the market without imposing a strict blanket-policy ban. And the goal of this is to attempt to further monetize the platform on the backs of other people's content by forcing them to see as many ads and upsell opportunities as possible. And the goal of this is to appear more appealing to current and future investors in or…

This is kind of like the Twitter fiasco where in the eye of the storm a lot of loud people are pressuring more people to make this seem a lot bigger than it is. Unless you have some alternative that has Reddit functionality, but can somehow operate without revenue, I'm just going to assume there isn't and Reddit will continue operating as normal. Just doing the math $2.50 seems reasonable if you're going to redistrib…

If Reddit just cared about having the ads, they could have a free version of the API that includes the inline ads. Or otherwise work with API users to blend in the ads for user-facing clients. They could even kick back a share of that revenue to client makers.

As far as I know they're not doing any of that. To me it looks like the goal is to wall off all the user-generated content in an attempt to extract maximum dollars from it while intentionally excluding third parties.

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Post by latortuga »

istillwritecode wrote: post #330
wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

I will continue to use reddit.

Same. Regardless of how they've bumpy the pay increase and related comms have been, it's their platform. Nobody uses third party apps to access Pinterest, tiktok, Facebook, ig, or any other major internet property and I don't see a problem with reddit running their company to make money. Yeah it sucks that Apollo, rif, etc all are getting shut down.

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Post by Eisenstein »

cragfar wrote: post #310
TX81Z wrote: post #293

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The fact that he isn’t keeping his free labor force happy is the problem. Other companies put hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of staff into moderation. This moron has people doing that FOR FREE and he’s pissing them off. Seriously, do you have any clue how much just YouTube alone spends on content moderation? Or Facebook? These are absolutely massive investments.

There's always another power hungry person to step up. The site would probably be better if the entire crop were removed outright. How many social media websites have you used where you can't even comment on a basic news forum for the first two months?

Why don't you mod then? Everyone thinks it is an easy job with all these 'power' perks, then when they get onboard they figure out it is actually a lot of work and mostly just pissing people off because you can never please everyone.

It is like people who say 'those who cannot do, teach'. Hey, maybe teaching is hard work and most people suck at it?

The type of person who thinks mods are all power tripper do-badders who could be easily replaced is usually the type of person who doesn't bother reading the rules of the community before posting, or who resorts instantly to insults in disagreements, or who think it is funny to piss people off.

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Post by dijit »

jachee wrote: post #271
jcims wrote: post #34

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Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

It’s popular despite itself… but It’s not successful. One of the things Spez is whining about is that they’re not profitable.

Spez also presided over the headcount ballooning ten-fold.

He’s chasing new markets, not doubling down on current ones. to the detriment of everyone including his companies profitability.

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Post by TX81Z »

bstar77 wrote: post #333
TX81Z wrote: post #272

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Necessity is the mother of invention. A CRUD app with a UX so bad people feel the need to use third-party clients isn’t exactly a moat. Half the people here could scaffold a Reddit clone in a week or less.

To prove your point... https://www.sitepoint.com/reddit-clone-react-firebase/ Yes, it's basically just a scaffold, but something like this could be iterated on. The challenges are around infrastructure and funding to function at scale. I would personally rather see something that improves on the problems Reddit solves, but tries something completely new. Cloning a product is so uninteresting.

Yes and no, the tech of a forum is not interesting, but fostering a healthy community that generates value is an eternally novel problem as every success has been the result of good timing more than anything else.
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