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Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by Blackthorn »

bottlepalm wrote: post #115
Blackthorn wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> our content Tech people ought to think long and hard about whose content it actually is.

A curated set of links, rated, sorted, filtered, and discussion. That’s the content you want and are having a tantrum about not having free access to. You are free though to access the referenced content on your own if you can find out about it on your own.

Who curated them, rated them, sorted them, filtered them, and discussed them?

Not Reddit. They're just the landlord here.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by dv_dt »

khalladay wrote: post #29

Does subreddits going dark for 2 days matter? Seems like an insignificant ampunt of disruption to make much of a difference, or am I wrong?

It would not matter if that were the only thing occurring, but as a discrete event in a significant cluster of events, this leads to more awareness and more reassessments by communities looking at what value and future reddit actually provides.

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Post by unshavedyak »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #33
bstar77 wrote: post #21

Flashback to Digg.com... I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out... it was the single most significant stroke of luck a fledgling Reddit could have possibly hoped for.

They of course know (at the time of the mass Digg exodus Reddit specifically changed their alien icon to welcome Digg refugees), but the difference is that they are betting on the fact that right now there is no immediately obvious alternative, like Reddit was to Digg a decade ago.

I think they're right. Lemmy/Kbin exist, but they're not ready for it. They're in a worse (less mature) place than Mastodon was with Twitter, and even that was rough.

With no alternative i think Reddit will be fine in this storm. I see many posts on Kbin/Lemmy discussing Reddit addiction, how they can leave it, etc, and those are niche people. The majority of Reddit users i suspect won't even know anything is wrong in a week. I suspect at worst Reddit will start suffering from lack of mods, but that's a solvable problem. Especially with IPO coming, they've got incentive to solve it in a way that they control with an iron fist.

Regardless this event, similar to Twitter with Mastodon, has brought a large number of "new normals" to Kbin, Lemmy, etc. I myself am looking far closer at ActivityPub, working on my own implementation that iterops with the existing ecosystem.

I actually think this will be quite good for the "fediverse". If not from massive direct usage, it will highlight scaling woes with the protocol, etc. Hopefully the next time this happens the Fediverse can be in a more mature position to leave CEOs like Spez feeling less invincible.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by [deleted] »

Loveaway wrote: post #81
bstar77 wrote: post #21

Flashback to Digg.com... I hope the people currently in charge of Reddit know how that event played out... it was the single most significant stroke of luck a fledgling Reddit could have possibly hoped for.

Not sure what the relation between YC and Reddit is these days, but wouldn't HN be in the prime position to take over? I feel all that is needed is to add sub-hn's. Reddit got Digg's business because Digg gambled away all of it's good will. That was a long time ago, Reddit since been going down the same path. Point is, all these companies are trying to monetize, generate profits, like they somehow responsible for the…

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Post by yanderekko »

wpietri wrote: post #11

Great! There's a picket line I won't be crossing. Not just for those subs, of course, but for all of Reddit. The reason Reddit is valuable is not the few execs making these (IMHO terrible) decisions. It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

>It's the thousands of mods and the millions of people creating and organizing the content that I go there to read. Until those people are happy with things, I'm not going back.

You go there for the user content, not the mods. You can say mods cultivate communities, but to say that they deserve credit but not the admins or platform itself seems untenable.

Furthermore, insinuations that the API changes will lead to a substantial decline in community quality via its impact on moderation seem to be broadly unsupported. It's unclear that there's a monotonic relationship between moderator power and community quality, similar to how most people would be skeptical of an argument that said that there's a monotonic relationship between state power (irl) community quality. For example, one thing that moderators have wanted to do in the past is create cross-subreddit blacklists. The admins pushed back on this with some success, which was probably healthy for the site as a whole.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by MostlyStable »

maccard wrote: post #38
atleastoptimal wrote: post #16

Is the inevitable fate of any social media site to be antagonistic to its most dedicated users?

I don't know if it's inevitable, but it's clear at this point that people are unwilling to pay $ for access to the content in the forms we know now. I think until we find a better way of having people pay for content and curation, we're likely to see this happen again. That said, Reddit has (so far) lasted a decade on the throne, which is a third of the life of the www. It's not like there's anoter competitor sitting…

So I think it's relatively clear that Reddit doesn't _want_ to reach some kind of deal with 3rd party apps, but honestly, I think that if they _had_ wanted that, most of these apps could have survived with a much smaller userbase of paying customers. I would have paid the $3-5/month it would have cost to keep my preferred app. And while yes, it definitely would have been fewer people, my guess is that it would have been enough to worth continuing. And if Reddit had been willing to figure out some kind of deal with ads, it might have been even more.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by bottlepalm »

raincole wrote: post #56
bottlepalm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit wanted 2.50/month/app which is like $30 ARPU, Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. The app they’re burning down Reddit over is already charging $1/month and was ready to sell out and shut down for $10 million. Correct me if I’m wrong, but we usually don’t give out API keys to allow users to wholesale reproduce, redistribute, resell our data for free.

> The app they’re burning down Reddit over is Lmao. Do you even realize what all these are about...? Reddit's pricing API policy is making ALL the apps unsustaniable. It's not "the app". > Facebook is $200 ARPU in the US. Yeah so? Only users and mods in the US matter and fuck the rest of the world? Plus Reddit is, surprisingly, not Facebook. I don't even understand why you're comparing them. Actually I believe many p…

If you ran a website, would you allow 3rd parties to reproduce and sell your data for free?

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by dv_dt »

lobstrosity420 wrote: post #36
hinkley wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the new Reddit though?

I don’t think Reddit being replaced is as much of a given as everyone seems to think. People might simply get tired of the concept altogether. Nobody needs a vote based link aggregator thingy in their lives, and there is no shortage of social media in sight.

The thing is, killing or hobbling third-party moderation tools will significantly degrade what is available on reddit.
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