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Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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at_compile_time wrote: post #94
th0ma5 wrote: post #58

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That's the very point I'm trying to make about this dubious article and all the people posting conspiracy theories here. How can we say they aren't trying to cause xenophobic feelings?

Ah, so when people disagree with you, it's because they're conspiracy theorists and you're ready to make wild assumptions about their motives. How perfectly reasonable of you.

This article literally explores and lays out theories about how potentially events and people could've conspired to our present day. I don't think that is intellectually helpful.

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Post by jansan »

arisAlexis wrote: post #39

I remember still when it was considered a conspiracy theory and we got downvoted here and banned on reddit for even implying the possibility. Unfortunately something similar is happening with AI x-risk right now.

Same with pointing out at the first studies that indicated that the virus was airborne. I got downvoted to oblivion here for posting a link to the study.

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Post by yorwba »

akomtu wrote: post #75
th0ma5 wrote: post #45

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HN should limit the rate of comments per user per post. This user is seriously worked up to mute this discussion and spams in every comment thread. Edit: this user wrote 26 out of 88 comments here.

HN already has a rate limit. You get the message "You're posting too fast" when you exceed it. Though I think it's also tied to karma and might not trigger when all those comments get upvoted. And if you try to downvote them all, you'll run into the protections against mass-downvoting. Tuning the feedback loops to encourage good discussions while damping flamewars is a difficult problem.

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khazhoux wrote: post #103
th0ma5 wrote: post #67

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For one, if it was proven that a lab leak was the cause of such global destruction, that may encourage stronger lab regulations in the future.

We can and should do that anyway, why do we need a smoking gun, I mean, beyond the pandemic we had.

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Post by th0ma5 »

inciampati wrote: post #109
th0ma5 wrote: post #65

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They prefaced the statement with "most importantly" so it seems they thought it was their key point.

What secure labs don't work on dangerous viruses? I guess I now wonder about your correction heh.

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Post by Xen9 »

I personally believe in Rootlclaim's Bayesian analysis (https://www.rootclaim.com/analysis/What-is-the-source-of-COV...) which states that "the virus was developed during gain-of-function research and was released by accident (89% probability)"

This is consistent with David Martin's speech in Europe: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1661698114917646336

I haven't checked the "publicly available references" but many who inssist on a natural cause read about the bat theory in the first few months and then haven't updated & aren't willing to update their models.

If you find any faults that can really change the results in the analysis Rootclaim made, I would be interested.

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Post by living_room_pc »

pcrh wrote: post #55

After a quick read of the article, it presents no new data, and is replete with innuendo pointing at the Wuhan lab, rather than any direct evidence. Most importantly, the general reader should know that all labs researching viruses do research on dangerous viruses. After all there is no incentive to research benign viruses. So the fact that the Wuhan lab worked on coronaviruses is not in itself an indication of any i…

> Most importantly, the general reader should know that all labs researching viruses do research on dangerous viruses. After all there is no incentive to research benign viruses.

That is completely untrue. Agricultural labs for instance research plant viruses which are _incompatible_ with humans completely. Still these plant virus would have to be researched under stringent isolation because of the damage they may pose to crops.

> Most importantly, the general reader should know

Speak on our level, don't baby us.

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Post by khazhoux »

th0ma5 wrote: post #114
khazhoux wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, if it was proven that a lab leak was the cause of such global destruction, that may encourage stronger lab regulations in the future.

We can and should do that anyway, why do we need a smoking gun, I mean, beyond the pandemic we had.

I'd avoid loaded terms like "smoking gun" in this discussion. My point is that if the pandemic was caused by a leak, then that would be a prior that could aid in future decision-making.

I don't understand your position that we should not seek the truth. Somehow knowing the truth about a past event can have no bearing on the future?

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