Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California • Hacker News Board

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by firecall » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:04 AM UTC

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I want the technology to prevent others from driving dangerously.

And myself, by extension. We all have human moments.

Running red lights, mounting pavements to cut corners, brake-checking, dangerous overtaking, inadequate stopping distances, distractions, micro sleeps, accidently accelerating into shop fronts, and just generally phasing out because you are human.

I personally hate anti-social driving behaviour.

Brake Checking is the stupidest thing I have ever witnesses. It feels like it's becoming a trend here in Australia. Did it originate as aggressive behaviour in the US, or Russia maybe for insurance?

It's certainly a recent trend here in Australia.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by DiggyJohnson » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:05 AM UTC

xigency wrote: post #450

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

Yeah, self driving cars would be a step backward as currently imagined. We need high speed rail to connect our cities.

What about inside those cities? Like from my apartment on this side of town to the other side.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by satvikpendem » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:10 AM UTC

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #492

xigency wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, self driving cars would be a step backward as currently imagined. We need high speed rail to connect our cities.

What about inside those cities? Like from my apartment on this side of town to the other side.

What about the inside? I live in NYC and its metro and bus system is amazing, and even then it's still worse than what I experienced in Asia, we're for example in Seoul, I did not have to walk more than five minutes to be able to get on a train or bus and when I got off, I similarly did not have to walk more than five minutes to get to my end destination.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by avastmick » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:11 AM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #476

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

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Sorry cities are much more efficient than any other form of human living [0]. It is suburbs and rural sprawl that creates the energy waste. Population drift towards the latter may cause the hollowing of cities which lead to crime and transport inefficiency.

[0] https://theconversation.com/suburban-living-the-worst-for-ca...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by satvikpendem » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:11 AM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #476

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

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Do you realize that the denser something is, the more efficient it is? Same is true of transistors and cities, and for the same reason: space unused is wasted.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:11 AM UTC

rcxdude wrote: post #464

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

Self driving cars are much more likely to be public transport than individually owned. It's also extremely likely that it requires ride-sharing to be viable, which will substantially reduce traffic as well as car ownership (I suspect there may be enough cost pressure that most self-driving vehicles are more like minibuses than cars, which would also help a lot with pollution and congestion, but this may require regul…

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by atyppo » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:13 AM UTC

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

As someone who feels the same way, I’ve lost all hope for the US in this regard. SUV/truck sales have continued increasing with absolutely zero mainstream discussion about preventing pedestrian deaths. It’s legal to have push bars and tow hitches (thus inhibiting crumple zones) with no purpose other than “protecting” your vehicle at the expense of lives.

Even ostensibly pedestrian friendly cities don’t have sufficient political willpower to hand street space over to other modes of transit at anything resembling a fast enough rate. Everything needs to sit in a “pilot” for two years before action is taken.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by npmaile » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:15 AM UTC

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

My 2019 bmw has the automated ruble strips thing, which is pretty nice for long drives.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by dvt » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:16 AM UTC

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This ship sailed like 60 years ago (blame your parents, speaking of consequences). At this point, autonomous driving is the best we can do in places like Los Angeles or San Diego.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 3:17 AM UTC

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #492

xigency wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, self driving cars would be a step backward as currently imagined. We need high speed rail to connect our cities.

What about inside those cities? Like from my apartment on this side of town to the other side.

subways, trams and buses. good systems can easily be faster than cars dinner thru don't have traffic and you don't need to find parking. for short distances, bikes are also great.