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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by justapassenger »

jeroenhd wrote: post #203
KennyBlanken wrote: post #185

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For comparison, Tesla FSD veering directly at a cyclist, who was saved only by the driver's lightning reflexes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5wkENwrp_k For comparison, Tesla FSD cruising right through a crossswalk with pedestrians and the driver is gleeful about it: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/teslas-full-self-drivin... For comparison, Tesla FSD veering into oncoming traffic https://www.reddit.com/r/tesl…

As a counter point: these Tesla videos are much more common because there are more Teslas driving around with the feature enabled. We don't know of the Mercedes is as much of a murder machine based on the little material from their FSD system there is. All self driving car manufacturers have videos of their cars doing the most ridiculous things. It's hard to pick one above the other. At least Mercedes seems to have d…

Yes, we don’t know if Mercedes is a murder machine.

What we know, is that if Mercedes murders someone, they’ll take liability for it.

Tesla will meanwhile smear you in the media for abuse of the system, that they actively promote as superior.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by spikels »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #382

HN just like every other forum. every time a Tesla/Elon related thread pop up. there are so many emotional bags come with it. you can't even have a fair discussion without someone's blind hate

Troll article commented on by forum trolls

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by lost_tourist »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #412
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

Recently I was reading that in Europe, most cars sold don't even have automatic transmission, yet the drivers there are much safer than than people in the US or Australia. There was some speculation that because they shift gears manually, they have to pay more attention to the road and can't do things like drink coffees while driving. They also enjoy driving a lot more than we do. I wonder if other technology would h…

Completely anecdotal but I have never been the -source- of an accident in 30 years of driving. I have been hit 4 times by people being careless. I have always driven stick because I prefer the control of gearing and it kind of gives me something to do. If there comes a day I can't get a stick shift in a new car I will likely just keep fixing up older cars. The only I would replace that feeling if I can completely trust AI in cars to get me to work/destination without paying any attention at all.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by saalweachter »

dunham wrote: post #385
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #285

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You can't legally enter an intersection (advance past the stopping line if present) until you are clear to perform your transit of the intersection. Left on red is never legal and marginal on yellow.

> You can't legally enter an intersection (advance past the stopping line if present) until you are clear to perform your transit of the intersection. Yeah, I've seen tickets written for this in Emeryville, CA for cars that entered on green and weren't going to clear the intersection in the next ten minutes. (I don't know if the intersection is still that bad.) Bicycle cop, because there was no way they'd get a car i…

> I recall that this was legal in Michigan, where I grew up, but it either had to be onto or off of a one way street. I could never remember which, so I didn't try it.

I believe it requires two one-way streets.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by ves »

lost_tourist wrote: post #469
0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

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> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This isn't what we need. I don't want to depend on the government for my primary means of travel or be limited by it.

Good thing all those roads aren’t planned, built, and maintained by the government!

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Consultant32452 »

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by pavlov »

lost_tourist wrote: post #469
0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

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> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This isn't what we need. I don't want to depend on the government for my primary means of travel or be limited by it.

Who builds and maintains the roads for your car?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by justapassenger »

onethought wrote: post #319
TheAlchemist wrote: post #303

Clickbait title to say the least ! While Tesla did amazing things for EVs adoption, and self driving (even if one may say the main contribution is hyping it) it’s hard to see them as leaders anymore. Fact is, Mercedes is taking responsibility for its system while Tesla is not. Tesla claims (and especially it’s fanboys) starts to look like Theranos. Yeah it almost work and it will be a game changer. Yeah well… I’m cur…

Is there a database of videos of Mercedes? I know “they take liability” but if I’m dead, that still sucks. What has Mercedes ceo commented about it? I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

> I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

Can you make this statement with a straight face? That a company develops machines that can kill you any second, up in the open, and have untrained people expose general public to those tests?

How would you feel if I’d be developing magical drug, that cures cancer just by drinking it, with no side effects, by just throwing each iteration into your municipal water supply and put it in your kids milk?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by ozzydave »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #476
0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

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Cities are much more energy efficient than anything else with the same standard of living.
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