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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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I don’t believe you. Teslas have a cabin camera that monitors your gaze and quickly emits warnings if you look at your phone while autopilot is on. If you ignore the warnings, the car puts it emergency flashers on, pulls over, and disables autonomous driving until your next trip. If you do the five times with the FSD beta, you are banned from using FSD.

> are banned from using FSD Do you get a refund?

It’s a one week ban I believe.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Comments are surprisingly negative - I would have thought hn would celebrate such an advance

Only Elon is allowed to make advances in the automotive, space, tunneling, and tweeting spaces.

they probably hold tesla stock since its all time high :)

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Yeah this isn’t beating Tesla to anything. If you constrain a system to where it’s effectively useless and declare victory, that’s worse than trying to actually solve the problem and saying you’re not there yet. It’s lowering the goal precipitously until you can achieve and then pretending you did it. Tesla has flaws, but this is a dumb article.

> Yeah this isn’t beating Tesla to anything. They beat Tesla to being certified in California as Level 3, with restrictions.

anything that matters (which was implied by the rest of my comment)

They can check a box and make this press release though, I guess that’s worth something.

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Tesla FSD is a marketing gimmick

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It doesn’t take a lot to retro-fit roads with autonomous guardrail markers when we repave. It’s going to take a federal-level effort to accomplish this (which should have been apart of pandemic infrastructure stimulus). I strongly believe this would improve safety for autonomous vehicles by 1000x.

There’s just no need for this. Tesla can detect even the most poorly defined edges of a dirt road without a problem.

Maybe they should start at detecting children? Luminar Tech can... - https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w

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We’ve actually had nearly self driving vehicles for over a century. They’re called trains. We should invest in some. The navigation problem gets way easier

Driverless trains are actually a pretty new thing, being on tracks is not as set/forget as people assume. If you mean "transportation where I'm not driving" then sure but taxis also fit that bill.

Proportionally, they are far, far closer to self driving even with multiple people driving the train. A ratio of just 1:100 drivers:passengers is a vast improvement on personal cars which would probably be what, 1:1? Maybe 1:2 on average?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

I don't think we're going to agree here.

> This seems like a marketing gimmick by Mercedes at best;

No, this is what a professional roll-out of a feature like this should look like.

> the two technologies aren't even in the same league. > Any comparison is laughable.

Well, at least we agree on these two. But probably not about the direction.

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

It's very different goals, the Tesla approach is more of a hack, which is to release things, without any liability or guarantee "we quickly hacked this together, good luck, if you die or get injured this is your problem!", and Mercedes is delivering a product that only support a few features but do it well, and they put their responsibility on it.

> "we quickly hacked this together, good luck, if you die or get injured this is your problem!"

Or kill someone who didn't ask for any of this

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Clickbait title to say the least ! While Tesla did amazing things for EVs adoption, and self driving (even if one may say the main contribution is hyping it) it’s hard to see them as leaders anymore. Fact is, Mercedes is taking responsibility for its system while Tesla is not. Tesla claims (and especially it’s fanboys) starts to look like Theranos. Yeah it almost work and it will be a game changer. Yeah well… I’m cur…

Is there a database of videos of Mercedes? I know “they take liability” but if I’m dead, that still sucks.

What has Mercedes ceo commented about it?

I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very different goals, the Tesla approach is more of a hack, which is to release things, without any liability or guarantee "we quickly hacked this together, good luck, if you die or get injured this is your problem!", and Mercedes is delivering a product that only support a few features but do it well, and they put their responsibility on it.

What features does Tesla FSD offer that Mercedes doesn’t?

Liability.
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