What exactly do people think it means when Mercedes says they will “take liability”? Decisions about whether to prosecute a driver when something bad happens are local and state level decisions. Mercedes can’t protect you when a local prosecutor decides to say “yeah level 3, whatever, you were behind the wheel.”
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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#152It doesn’t take a lot to retro-fit roads with autonomous guardrail markers when we repave. It’s going to take a federal-level effort to accomplish this (which should have been apart of pandemic infrastructure stimulus). I strongly believe this would improve safety for autonomous vehicles by 1000x.
There’s just no need for this. Tesla can detect even the most poorly defined edges of a dirt road without a problem.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#153What exactly do people think it means when Mercedes says they will “take liability”? Decisions about whether to prosecute a driver when something bad happens are local and state level decisions. Mercedes can’t protect you when a local prosecutor decides to say “yeah level 3, whatever, you were behind the wheel.”
I assume they can only take over civil, not criminal liability.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdotally, in LA, I turn off FSD basically every minute while trying to use it, due to it doing something slightly “inhuman” or not ideal/too to the letter of the law, signaling incorrectly while staying in a lane that curves slightly, etc. I can’t imagine letting it go for a full hour without causing some road rage or traffic blockage. To be clear there is a definite driving “culture” in LA that is very permissive…
> signaling incorrectly while staying in a lane that curves slightly This is super annoying, but the most recent FSD update seems to have mostly fixed that. It's still pretty crappy in a lot of other ways, but at least that improved.
> but the most recent FSD update seems to have mostly fixed that.
I have read this comment before.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#155Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
Even considering its heavy limitations, the Mercedes system is miles better than the Tesla, because it is actually useful. You can actually turn on the system and do your email, or take a nap. Yes, the 40 mph limitation on highways seems to make it useless, but many highways get congested to the point where you are not going over 40 mph anyways, and those are the times when it is most frustrating to drive.
And regarding the FSD, most youtube videos I have seen run into human intervention within 20 minutes or so. Going 60 minutes without human intervention is certainly possible if you get a bit lucky but that does not mean you should take your eyes off the road for a second. FSD still has to be constantly supervised, which makes it of very limited utility. At this stage it is still a fun experiment at most.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seemed to be completely OK, a driver who is on the safe side would have just done this exactly
Totally, you are not supposed to block an intersection, and it is forbidden to stay on a pedestrian crossing.
Again...that was not the failure. Actually there are two failures:
- First one, to stop too far away both from the road intersection and the pedestrian crossing. And of course you should not stop on top the pedestrian crossing. The car behind the Tesla, noticed that right away, and went over the Tesla. Even the Tesla driver in the video commented on that. I wonder what FSD version that driver has :-)
- Second failure, the car ahead, the one already over the road crossing started moving but the Tesla would not move at all. Only when the video author accelerated as he mentions in the video.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#157Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…
Now, lets see Mercedes ones...
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#158Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> However Mercedes are taking liability whilst their system is in use Are they? This press release doesn't actually say so. There was an announcement a while back when they deployed this system in Germany, but that's obviously a different legal environment. FWIW, this is mostly spin anyway. Liability isn't generally something that is granted, it's either there or not. If Tesla FSD causes an accident, they can absolut…
[1] (2) (A) “Autonomous vehicle” means any vehicle equipped with autonomous technology that has been integrated into that vehicle that meets the definition of Level 3, Level 4, or Level 5 [2] (c) The manufacturer has in place and has provided the department with evidence of the manufacturer's ability to respond to a judgment or judgments for damages for personal injury, death, or property damage arising from the oper…
Sorry, where do you get "accept liability" from "ability to respond to a judgement for damages"? That's not a requirement to pay, that just requires that the company have the ability to pay if they are found liable! It's the corporate equivalent of requiring liability insurance.
Show me the contract (or hell, even a press release) where Mercedes acknowledged accepting liability in the US. I really don't think this happened.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#160Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
I’m curious what streets are under 40 mph and not “city” or “country” streets?