Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 10:09 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #285

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It’s legal to turn left in such a case as long as you entered the intersection already. So at least the first 1-2 cars are not doing anything illegal

You can't legally enter an intersection (advance past the stopping line if present) until you are clear to perform your transit of the intersection. Left on red is never legal and marginal on yellow.

Post by claudiug » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 10:11 PM UTC

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Comments are surprisingly negative - I would have thought hn would celebrate such an advance

Only Elon is allowed to make advances in the automotive, space, tunneling, and tweeting spaces.

Post by torginus » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 10:14 PM UTC

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Even considering its heavy limitations, the Mercedes system is miles better than the Tesla, because it is actually useful. You can actually turn on the system and do your email, or take a nap. Yes, the 40 mph limitation on highways seems to make it useless, but many highways get congested to the point where you are not going over 40 mph anyways, and those are the times when it is most frustrating to drive. And regard…

"do your email, or take a nap" <- The definition of an SAE Level 3 system is that you must remain in the seat, prepared to take control immediately when the system requests you to. Taking a nap or otherwise not paying attention is not what such a system supports.

Post by qwytw » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 10:16 PM UTC

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Systems that are required to have ~100% performance within an operational design domain generally have more than 0% performance beyond that domain. For example, Tesla FSD seems like a pretty good highway cruise control, but it can be dangerously deployed in city driving too. Of course this is a little difficult to argue about since AFAIK Tesla has never defined its ODD and their lead autopilot software guy said in hi…

I maintain that the Mercedes system is “capable of” what it can functionally be deployed to achieve by a user. That’s what “capable of” means. If Mercedes wants to try its hand at a universal L2 system, I wish them the best. This system is in truth not capable of L2 or L3 autonomous driving under almost all typical driving conditions. There is a small geofenced and speed constrained window under which the car will la…

Post by toast0 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 10:18 PM UTC

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Dude it's totally following the law. You're allowed to enter the intersection for an unprotected left even if it's not clear to turn (possibly not if the end of the intersection you're going to is full of cars). If you are in the intersection, you're allowed to clear when possible regardless of the color of your light. Most intersections with unprotected left turns let you fit at least a whole car, sometimes two in t…

While you are allowed to enter the intersection during a yellow, you are also considered legally to have been warned and would be consider liable if doing so causes an accident. This extra liability would seem like making self driving cars error on the side of stopping to be in the interests of auto makers who would be exposed to that liability.