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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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We’ve actually had nearly self driving vehicles for over a century. They’re called trains. We should invest in some. The navigation problem gets way easier

Do you have a train station in front of your house and any target destination you can imagine wanting to go to? Because most people don't.

Maybe the all the money invested in self driving and EV insentives and insane highways and stroads maybe you could afford decent public transit.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

> Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of LA for 60 minutes with zero human intervention.

17 fatalities, 736 crashes: The shocking toll of Tesla’s Autopilot

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-a...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> How exactly is Mercedes accepting liability? You’re indemnified.

Mercedes can’t indemnify you. Local police and prosecutors make those decisions.

> Mercedes can’t indemnify you. Local police and prosecutors make those decisions

Are you thinking of immunity? Indemnity is regularly contracted between private parties. (Also, police can’t give you immunity in America.)

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…

I’m left wondering what this comment proves? The four situations you posted were the most minor of minor annoyances when the car was being too cautious , and you’ve decided they must be cherry picked without any evidence given.

It's shows the system does not have a semantic understanding of what is happening. That is why he stops so far away from the gate, it does not know it is a gate.

This is another one, definitely one of my favorite examples ( at correct time) - https://youtu.be/2u6AgLuwVqI?t=86

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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I have a Model 3 in Europe with the so-called FSD, and it’s mostly terrible. I regret paying for it. The car often doesn’t understand even speed limit signs, so it fails at the bare minimum of safety. Recently I visited LA and a friend gave me a drive in their Model 3. The difference in sensor interpretation quality was massive compared to what I see back home. That gave me hope of my aging Model 3 still seeing impro…

The difference in FSD behavior is due to the EU’s laws on autonomous vehicles. The EU mandates maximum lateral acceleration, lane change times, and many other details that make for a worse (and less safe) driving experience.

Now why would the EU mandate details that make for a less safe driving? You are implying they are either malicious or stunningly incompetent.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

It's very different goals, the Tesla approach is more of a hack, which is to release things, without any liability or guarantee "we quickly hacked this together, good luck, if you die or get injured this is your problem!", and Mercedes is delivering a product that only support a few features but do it well, and they put their responsibility on it.

What features does Tesla FSD offer that Mercedes doesn’t?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Is there evidence for this?

https://insideevs.com/news/575160/mercedes-accepts-legal-res... "once a driver turns on Drive Pilot, they are "no longer legally liable for the car's operation until it disengages." The publication goes so far as to say that a driver could actually pay zero attention to the road ahead, play on their mobile phones, and even watch a movie. If the car were to crash, Mercedes would be 100 percent responsible."

This explains the 40mph and other extreme restrictions

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…

Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…

"Watch the Self-Driving Struggle" - https://youtu.be/2u6AgLuwVqI?t=88
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