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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by electroly »

jimbokun wrote: post #106
yantrams wrote: post #53

I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you' Edits: I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning o…

Because we like music for the fun of making it, and the shared emotional connection felt with the artist (whether it's real or not, knowing a human wrote and performed a piece allows you to imagine this connection). I don't know what the point of machine generated music is. Just destroying one of the few remaining ways for people to make a living doing something creative, I guess. The promise of automation was to hav…

> we are automating the things humans enjoy, and still leaving humans to figure out how to feed, house and clothe ourselves through the sweat of our brow.

Have you been to a farm before? Have you seen a textile factory? Have you seen a construction site? How could you, with a straight face, suggest we are not automating those things? There are vastly more people working on automation in those fields than are working on AI-generated music. Automation in agriculture, construction, and textiles are massive industries. There are a lot of people in the world working on a lot of things.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by jsheard »

bottlepalm wrote: post #179
jsheard wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish you luck with your game which constantly oscillates between https://youtu.be/dLkFh9Kn8AU?t=60 and https://youtu.be/gQktj-WkgEo?t=75 because you didn't put any thought into the music beyond telling the computer to make "chill DnB" and "intense DnB".

Are you deflecting by attacking my simple example instead of defending your ‘this has already been done before’ point? If you’re wrong just say you’re wrong.

When Animal Crossing blends between a different composition for every hour of the in-game clock, with variants for different weather conditions, is that not changing based on "time of day, environment, situation, mood, etc"? When Doom dynamically ramps the intensity of the music along with the intensity of combat, and inserts perfectly synchonized stings in time with the players actions is that not reacting to the situation? That's what I mean by this already having been done, just not with AI.

AI has the potential to consider more variables than is feasible with the current process, but my question is "at what cost". Would Doom be better if the music were slightly different depending on which weapon you were holding, if the trade-off is that instead of Mick Gordons work it was a computer generating what may as well be royalty free elevator music? Probably not.

Making more content for less money is only a net positive if the content is actually good.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by Kye »

logarhythmic wrote: post #184
tarr11 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a straw man to me. We are continuing to automate feeding, housing and clothing ourselves as well. These two things are not mutually exclusive. I would like to make music, video games and movies, too, and AI lets me do that. I don’t need millions of dollars or years of training to make something creative anymore.

> I don’t need millions of dollars or years of training to make something creative anymore. You never did... You just needed to get creative.

You can go a long way with LMMS or Ardour and free sample packs. Most big sample production companies provide royalty-free samplers. The free stuff from Sonniss (GDC freebies) and Black Octopus Sound could last an entire career. Throw in the free Komplete Start (or Helm and Surge if you prefer open source) and you have all your synthesis needs covered: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bund...

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by AxEy »

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.)

Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT"

Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords? Elsewhere on the internet?

If so, could you say what your experience has been?

I ask because the music production scene is like...ridiculously saturated, and it's almost a meme in the producer community how hard it is to make even a buck producing. I suspect that there are a significant number of producers who would be happy to take your "prompt" for a small fee. Yes, I understand 1) free and 2) immediate is convenient, but isn't 1) relatively inexpensive and 2) whatever advantage intent in construction gives good too?

I'm willing to admit that I'm missing something here, but I'd love it if someone could enlighten me.

While I'm asking follow ups, to all the folks who love digging for new music so much that they're considering turning to prompting AIs, I'd be seriously surprised if you've really checked out all the stuff that is coming out from new producers (again, reddit, soundcloud, etc). Another meme in the producer community is how one spends hundreds/thousands of hours perfecting ones craft, and dozens of hours working on a track, only for that track to get like 5 plays on soundcloud and negligible engagement elsewhere. Are music consumers really that desperate for new tunes? Frankly a lot of us just aren't seeing it....

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by arrosenberg »

tumult wrote: post #109
arrosenberg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. I'd say it lets me, a non-musician, create generic tracks for other projects that need music, but don't need the Lord of the Rings soundtrack. If you want the insane soundtrack, you still need an artist, as this project demonstrates.

There’s already an endless supply of free and royalty free music in every style. While an AI can now also generate that for you as well, it was not necessary to create the AI to meet your goal and requirement.

So whats the issue? I can create exactly what I want instead of what is available.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by jerpint »

bottlepalm wrote: post #40

(and now for the rare take that isn't your typical cynical/jaded internet comment) Wow this is more than good enough to use for background music in video games, stores, commercials, etc.. You really could have super dynamic music in a video game for instance that changes based on the time of day, environment, situation, mood, etc.. all combined. Combine it with a LLM DJ and you could get some fun radio stations.

Can’t wait for soulless 24/7 grocery store robot music /s

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by arrosenberg »

jimbokun wrote: post #119
arrosenberg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. I'd say it lets me, a non-musician, create generic tracks for other projects that need music, but don't need the Lord of the Rings soundtrack. If you want the insane soundtrack, you still need an artist, as this project demonstrates.

How will we still have artists skilled enough to compose Lord of the Rings soundtrack, if they never get to work on lesser pieces to develop?

Musicianship already isn’t a profitable enterprise for most, and yet kids continue to learn piano and get good enough to go to Julliard. I doubt that will change.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by comfypotato »

AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

Free and immediate. You answered your own question.

All things equal, people are happy to support local businesses. The value prop here is far from equal.

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