I’m a fan of charging market efficient rates for shared goods. The congestion situation in the Holland Tunnel is awful and bleeds out into various streets of Manhattan as well. The cost of sitting in crawling traffic with aggressive drivers cutting around is probably much more than an extra $20.
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#12See also:
London congestion charge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge
Singapore Electronic Road Pricing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Road_Pricing
Stockholm congestion tax: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_congestion_tax
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#13So despite the massive ridership of the subway and the fully paid infrastructure and rights of way from 100 years ago, it can't throw off enough cash for modernization of its systems?
And instead politicians decide to tax the successful mode of transportation, which is cars. Note that given the density and NY gas taxes, it is a certainty that cars in this area generate surplus cash.
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#14When I moved to NYC from Kyiv, I was actually surprised by how chill the traffic in New York is.
Obviously it can get annoying around bridges and tunnels, but outside those areas it’s pretty easy to get around, and I live on the west side of FiDi.
Not against this legislation, I think it’s a good idea, but I personally spent more time in traffic on Long Island, and upper Manhattan.
I don’t own a car though, I just rent when necessary.
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#15So despite the massive ridership of the subway and the fully paid infrastructure and rights of way from 100 years ago, it can't throw off enough cash for modernization of its systems? And instead politicians decide to tax the successful mode of transportation, which is cars. Note that given the density and NY gas taxes, it is a certainty that cars in this area generate surplus cash.
I see ads on the LIRR all the time from NYC saying "we love having a driver's license for everything but driving". The city doesn't hide that it wants to get rid of cars. I don't blame them; cars in the business district are a nightmare for pedestrians and drivers.
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Yes I agree let's fundamentally eliminate the right of free travel from place to place through the public thoroughfares on the conveyance of your choice. Because it's that pesky fundamental concept that we have of freely moving about through cities through county borders through state borders without being stopped and harassed that's actually the fundamental problem of it all. So instead of just pissing around and ba…
weird take
I am free to move across borders, it's my car that requires paperwork and requires that I submit to detainment and harassment by any cop I happen to pass by.
Having a car is great for doing your own thing on your own schedule, but it's also an expensive liability. I'd rather live in a world where I'm not compelled to take on this liability just to get across town.
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#17I’m a fan of charging market efficient rates for shared goods. The congestion situation in the Holland Tunnel is awful and bleeds out into various streets of Manhattan as well. The cost of sitting in crawling traffic with aggressive drivers cutting around is probably much more than an extra $20.
I agree! Let's get the poors off the roads.
The peasant class belongs on public transport, not on taxpayer-funded roads.
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What about people with disabilities.
Put an exemption in place: see https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/discounts...
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#19First we had segregated roads for the rich, then airports and and terminals, and now it's full on cities. Welcome to dystopia.
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#20When I moved to NYC from Kyiv, I was actually surprised by how chill the traffic in New York is. Obviously it can get annoying around bridges and tunnels, but outside those areas it’s pretty easy to get around, and I live on the west side of FiDi. Not against this legislation, I think it’s a good idea, but I personally spent more time in traffic on Long Island, and upper Manhattan. I don’t own a car though, I just re…
I guess I always thought the two challenges in the city were entering/leaving and parking.
There doesn’t seem to consistently be TOO much traffic when you’re just trying to get around Manhattan.