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New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Re: New York City will charge drivers going downtown

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Yes I agree let's fundamentally eliminate the right of free travel from place to place through the public thoroughfares on the conveyance of your choice. Because it's that pesky fundamental concept that we have of freely moving about through cities through county borders through state borders without being stopped and harassed that's actually the fundamental problem of it all. So instead of just pissing around and banning cars from using the roads that their taxes pay for let's just eliminate the entire concept of allowing people to move from place to place without permits and papers. Because that is a great model for a country to have.

But we're talking about New York city so you've already granted the port authority wide latitude and restricting your movements and controlling the population.

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Yes I agree let's fundamentally eliminate the right of free travel from place to place through the public thoroughfares on the conveyance of your choice. Because it's that pesky fundamental concept that we have of freely moving about through cities through county borders through state borders without being stopped and harassed that's actually the fundamental problem of it all. So instead of just pissing around and ba…

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" At the same time, cities should develop bike stations and tramways for people to move around quickly in car-free areas, paid for by gas taxes, which should be raised, and road tolls, which should also be raised."

Huh? If no one is driving who is paying gas taxes? Road tolls everywhere?

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Yes I agree let's fundamentally eliminate the right of free travel from place to place through the public thoroughfares on the conveyance of your choice. Because it's that pesky fundamental concept that we have of freely moving about through cities through county borders through state borders without being stopped and harassed that's actually the fundamental problem of it all. So instead of just pissing around and ba…

Your free travel is free only because its true cost is heavily subsidized and carefully hidden. Pay what it costs and you can travel all you want. I’m done with my tax dollars paying for your bad habits. “Free” my ass.

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Yes I agree let's fundamentally eliminate the right of free travel from place to place through the public thoroughfares on the conveyance of your choice. Because it's that pesky fundamental concept that we have of freely moving about through cities through county borders through state borders without being stopped and harassed that's actually the fundamental problem of it all. So instead of just pissing around and ba…

But you’re still free to travel there as often as you like, for however long you like, any reason you like, and you don’t have to tell anyone about it.

I’m not allowed to drive my car on sidewalks or bike paths, but that doesn’t mean we live in some dystopian nightmare where the right to free travel is restricted and I have to show papers everywhere I go.

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What about people with disabilities.

Exceptions are a thing. Also how do people with disabilities live in other countries and move around? These are easy scenarios to address.

We also shouldn't force everybody to drive a car everywhere they need to go just because some tiny percentage of people may need a car to drive around. Frankly, we'd probably have fewer disabled people in the first place if they had to move around more.

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