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The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that AdWords can target users and offer them ads based on what they think they might want. They're not always contextual. Do you like to play games Reg?

This is a very interesting point, thank you. So here’s a thought experiment: I look at this article about dinosaurs, and Google shows me an ad about mountain bike holidays. Great timing, Spring is looming and I am making plans for Summer (Google knows this from watching my search history or annual credit card spend on travel.) It’s late afternoon, when I historically am distractible (witness reading about dinosaurs d…

Increasingly, it seems, success requires immunity to distraction. Even as a kid.

http://paulgraham.com/addiction.html

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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You're looking at remnant inventory. Inventory (advertiser speak for "a page view plus a slot available on that page which we could sell an ad against") are a lot like cuts of meat. Some are worth a lot of money. Some are not, and end up getting sold to be turned into fertilizer or paste to infect cows with all matter of diseases. Things that tend to make inventory worth more money: 1) Better matching algorithms. Thi…

This is probably the most well written piece of text I have seen here on HN.

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Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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Great overview of how ads work, but the rant is still valid. As the end, the environment around us will end up to be very similar to one described in the movie Idiocracy.

Yeah, but the blame the article's author espouses is misplaced. It's not Google's fault that people want to play games any more than it's the sun's fault that it's shining outside of my window on days when I need to get real work done. As usual it's easier to blame icons and officials in situations where really it's the consumers that drive these corporate decisions with their everyday decisions. Granted, Google is s…

>It's not Google's fault that people want to play games //

In the same way it's not the drug dealers fault that people [who they actively sought to get addicted] want to buy drugs [in excesses that will most likely see them to an early grave].

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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I'm actually looking forward to the day when micro-transactions become easy and friction-less and we move onto paywalls. I'd love to support sites with content by paying $0.02 per article.

I hate seeing ads, and I hate my websites relying on ads for revenue. My parents have many times clicked on ads accidentally thinking it was the content they want. The last thing I need to is to clear out their laptop from endless toolbars and viruses so I've installed ad blocker on all of our computers.

It's gotten out of control. Even legit websites have started taking on questionable ad inventory. The kind that has a download button and tries to trick you. The kind that looks like thumbnails for the software that you're trying to read about. Or those annoying video ads that play automatically.

I'm actually looking forward to the day when I can say "Goodbye and good riddance, advertising killed itself."

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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Or to put it in a word, they have “morals.” And when they talk about it, they are ”moralizing.”

Do people who disagree with you lack morals? Or are their morals wrong?

It could be [n]either.

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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Why doesn't Google offer some across-the-board AdSense subscription-- $10 a month to never see a single "Ads by Google"?

"Nice browser yous gots there... would be a shame if something were to happen to it, eh? Like if some ads was to get put on the pages... 10 bucks a month, me and my boys 'take care of' that for yous". The Google Protection Racket

To elaborate on this great point:

Say google gives you the option to pay $10/mo and not see adsense ads. Say a lot of people love that option and take advantage of it. Ad inventory goes down. Cost of ads goes up. Google looks at the price of an ad it could be showing you and goes, "why am I charging just $10?" Price of not seeing ads goes up, or even becomes its own auction.

This is how you can end up in a protection racket without meaning to.

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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I get ads on nanotechnology and Siemens. Maybe the Google Ad machine works different for each person. Oddly too, a search for Rick Santorum leads to Republican primary results fist and then ricksantorum.com second, but, then again, this is my work computer ;)

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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Someone finally noticed that the Internet replicates the internal chatter of the mind. The web is designed to prey on human weakness, to encourage wilfing through the Internet, and to discourage learning and meditation. If our machines are to help us realize our potential, we must teach our machines to meditate. We must quiet their computations.

Re: The Internet Made Me Sad Today

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really, how? Advertising is not traditionally sold on a self-service basis. It is traditionally sold via Big Enterprise Sales processes, caricatured above as "steak dinners between advertising sales and ad buyers at big brands." This is enormously big business: ever bus ad, every TV ad, most newspaper ads, etc that you've ever seen was sold this way. Google is the alternative model for advertising, and (as such) is o…

...Google is primarily an advertising company which makes excellent use of technology, not a technology company which makes good use of advertising. I absolutely agree with that, and don't really see anything controversial in that statement. I also think that Google has created more value for more people than probably any other company in history. If they are in fact an advertising company (which we agree) then the v…

I may be wrong but I think Patrick was referring to the people who can put up a minor website and earn 'lifestyle' living dollars out of it. Google has created this industry with their AdSense for Content system. Prior to this a small player (read small web site) would have no chance of selling advertising space to a 'big name' and conversely a 'big name' would never seek out the small guys (well their ad agency might or might not).

The 'value' creation is the small web site owners. And they filled the money pot for that eco system with remnant advertising dollars.

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