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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Power is its own reward.

Evidently not, since that's already a motivation that isn't sufficient to get enough people actually doing the work - and if anything, Reddit taking the step of unilaterally usurping community leaders for not being profitable enough would only reduce the perceived power of a moderator position.

I think the people that we are arguing with don't understand that being a moderator of a subreddit isn't just about being able to ban people. It's about being a leader of a community.

You decide rules and shape the "culture" of the subreddit. Yes, there are absolutely people who are moderators and on insane power trips. That's always been a thing, for every form of online community I've ever known of (IRC, forums, etc...) But there are also many who view the role differently. That's why moderators of subreddits like r/programmerhumor, a meme subreddit that is also a place for programmers (specifically newer programmers) to blow off steam and joke about things they're stressed out about believe they have the power to shut down the subreddit permanently and Reddit will not "bring it back."

If Reddit crosses that line and brings subreddits back, installing puppet leaders who on earth is going to invest time into building a community on Reddit again? Knowing it can be yanked from them at an arbitrary whim - not even for breaking moral rules, but for threatening profits. This is a much more delicate balance than the commenters are painting it as. They clearly don't understand why Reddit works and seem to think it's pure network effect that has consolidated things away from independent forums.

When people talk about googling something and adding "reddit" as a keyword, it's because they want to read authentic discussion from real people about a topic - and sometimes a topic that is somewhat obscure - not an SEO optimized landing page that's going to ask for their email and try to sell them something.

That only exists in communities that are curated and participated in by people who care about them. Removing that removes the core of Reddit's being.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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I agree with everything except the mobile usability. Hacker News has some of the best mobile usability of the websites I am using. It is not perfect but it is way better than Reddit. Hacker News is very comfortable to read on mobile and the only thing which could be improved is the too small voting buttons.

I agree that Reddit is borderline unusable in its mobile website, and the official app is ad-ridden, but 3rd party apps (the ones they're trying to kill) are fine. I find HN a royal pain on mobile tbh. Everything clickable is so small.

To be fair almost all websites are a pain on mobile. My smartphone is becoming more and more a messaging app and alarm clock ._.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I don't think the direct losses of the 48 outage will be what matters here. Rumors are that Reddit wants to IPO later this year. This blackout will put the spotlight on two issues: - Reddit is extremely dependent on the goodwill of the community, especially the moderators who provide an essential service for free. - Reddit is out of touch with its own community, and keeps pissing…

It's not about length of time but a show of how much support the communities have for each other.

48 subreddits going dark for 1 day is more of a statement than 1 going dark for 48 days.

The mods know many people rely on their communities for a multitude of reasons - mental health support, technical support, mentoring, etc.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Evidently not, since that's already a motivation that isn't sufficient to get enough people actually doing the work - and if anything, Reddit taking the step of unilaterally usurping community leaders for not being profitable enough would only reduce the perceived power of a moderator position.

For every mod of a subreddit large enough to matter the wannabe mods will be lining up.

It's not a matter of "wannabe", it's "wannado". Having a bunch of sycophants in the sidebar isn't going to restore a community unless they're actually committed to making the subreddit an enjoyable place to be, and if they were committed to that they'd already be doing it.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Might need some place to see which big subreddits are NOT participating

https://www.reddit.com/best/communities/1/

Looks like it's 5/10 of the ones with over 30M subscribers and 9/23 over 20M, I was actually surprised that it's only that many in total for the 30M group.

I presume some might still make the decision given yesteray's attempt at blatant slander by Spez.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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> People aren’t stupid, and they aren’t as docile as you think. People have a very short attention span and a very low level of commitment if they're not directly impacted. Remember the outrage about Musk on Twitter? It's all but died down. Or the various attempts to create some alt-right social networks. People don't have an obvious other place to go, and the majority of the community of /r/whatever will just go to…

Ultimately, we can only speculate on what's going to happen. Neither of us can say conclusively, we can't see the future. All I can say is that subreddits are built on the idea of autonomy - it's not just that they have their own mods. It's that this is a semi autonomous community. If you look at a lot of the subreddits that decided to go dark, their moderation held polls/voting about it and asked for community input…

> All I can say is that subreddits are built on the idea of autonomy

On the illusion of autonomy.

> Using Twitter as an example when the acquisition isn't even a year old isn't valid, in my opinion. Talk to me in 2 years.

Then why join this debate in the first place?

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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> People aren’t stupid, and they aren’t as docile as you think. People have a very short attention span and a very low level of commitment if they're not directly impacted. Remember the outrage about Musk on Twitter? It's all but died down. Or the various attempts to create some alt-right social networks. People don't have an obvious other place to go, and the majority of the community of /r/whatever will just go to…

This right here. I've been on reddit since 2010 or so and the dejure "most important thing in the world to talk about" is ever changing. Hong Kong, COVID-19, Ukraine, Harambe, Victory (the AMA person?), the great subreddit purge to name a few. Everyone claims they're going to delete reddit but will simply forget about it in a few weeks. haha

I've been on Reddit since 2009, and never cared about any of that stuff or claimed I was going to leave Reddit over it. I absolutely am leaving Reddit over this.

I am keeping my account, because I might need it to promote my business (it still has utility in that area and I am pragmatic, I am not going to not do something that could help my business for ideological reasons), but I will no longer be using it on a daily basis or contributing comments/posts unless they back away from this.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Reddit can solicit new mods and ban the old ones. It's probably the quickest way out for reddit and users will likely hardly notice except for those subreddits where the mods are very closely associated with the community itself. But that's definitely not the bulk of them and not the larger ones, though there are some exceptions.

Assembling new moderators for 3000+ subreddits on such short notice sounds a bit difficult.

I don't think it's all that difficult. Message the top 100 contributors of every subreddit that goes dark to ask if they want to be mods, and if they say yes put them on a two month trial.

I remember when Ronald Reagan fired all air traffic controllers in the US, that definitely had me wondering about the wisdom of the move and yet it went off without a hitch. Not a single plane crashed on account of that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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What stops the reddit admins from re-enabling 'programming humor' and to solicit one or more new moderators?

Being a moderator is a lot of work. You'd have to find a sucker to provide free labor for you. You can maybe find a few, but can you find enough to replace all moderators once you pissed them off enough ?

Being a good moderator is a lot of work. There will be no lack of people that would line up to have moderating powers in a large enough subreddit.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Do you reckon their C-suite are not waged? (What revenue are they working with?) This is a common issue with discussion of companies, people say "look they're not making any money" just because the company accounts are not recording profits. But if you pay out all your money as C-suite wages (for example) then you have "no profits" as a company but people are certainly profiting. Another angle is political steer; you…

So you're saying the C-suite aren't profiting from their work? They do no work? C-suite and other employees profit from selling their time to to Reddit. It's kinda weird to start acting like that isn't how employment works.

That’s what they’re saying. They aren’t saying that’s not how it works.
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