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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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reasons why HN doesn't work as a reddit replacement: - It has no subforums - Almost everyone here is in IT, other topics only get discussed when they are interesting to IT people. On reddit, you can talk to historians, mathematicians, language enthusiasts, fans of your favourite series, etc. - HN usability on mobile is... yeah - HN is text only, that's already difficult for programming, but would make talking about e…

What’s the problem with HN mobile?

Teeny-tiny arrows.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#182

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

There's another fine line the mods walk: in the past the reddit admins have threatened to simply clean house and appoint new subreddit moderators in the event of an extended subreddit blackout.

I think I covered that?

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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post #159

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Another thing is that many moderators are paid but by other companies and PR firms. Reddit doesn't see any of it. A lot of the content on Reddit is promotion and semi-hidden forms of advertising. Again Reddit doesn't see any of this spend. In both cases Reddit is paying other companies for using their platform for making money. Why would a corporation pay hundreds of thousands for ads when they could spend tens of th…

Many mods are paid? I think the situation is the opposite of what people believe is going on. Reddit just wants its biggest profiteers to start paying for what they’re taking. The changes actually won’t hurt normal users at all. Users somehow don’t understand that this is not about them. The proposed changes are about limiting exploitstion from a handful of commercializing individuals. Free access to the API is getti…

> the guy who runs Apollo will kill his app, but not because Reddit killed it. It’s because he doesn’t have the time to rewrite his code to be more efficient.

That’s not a fair summary of his position. If you read his testament, they really screwed him over, lied to him, and didn’t give him a realistic chance to turn any reasonable amount of his revenue to Reddit.

Even if he could lower the average number of API calls per daily user, they’re not even in the same ballpark, expense-wise.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#184

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I feel like 48 hour long outage for a social media website is huge. That's 2 days for people to look around at alternatives. Remember when google plus launches FB argued that they had zero hours to lose and they were kinda right.

It's only 48 hours if reddit lets it.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#185
post #168

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And the loyalty to the platform itself low. There are other ones, and Reddit should remember the great Digg Exodus.

That's very true, but digg never had the kind of stickyness that reddit had from early on. I think reddit has a stronger sense of community and I think that users may well be more attached to their communities than they are to their mods.

Digg users went to Reddit, a viable alternative. There's nowhere for Reddit users to exodus to.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Too bad we don't have a viable replacement for reddit atm or this would have been end of Reddit

You are writing this using the best Reddit replacement. If HN had a subforum feature and an ability to embed pictures or videos in posts, or some kind of markdown light syntax, Reddit usage would die for me.

> ability to embed pictures or videos in posts

dang does not want to have to look at CSAM.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#187

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

Twitter has proven that not even that would matter. Network effects are too powerful. People use Reddit therefore people will use Reddit.

Once a company has a large enough network effect they can do almost anything and people won’t leave. I’ve come to believe that it’s the most powerful form of lock in.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#188

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

This argument, regardless of its factual correctness regarding the impact on Reddit, is an argument of helplessness - it argues there is no point in acting, because nothing will be achieved.

Sometimes you have to act, even if it will have no effect, because it is the right thing to do, where our sense of moral indignation is so great we are motivated to act regardless of the overall outcome or what we may or may not reasonable expect to achieve.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#189
post #187

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

Twitter has proven that not even that would matter. Network effects are too powerful. People use Reddit therefore people will use Reddit. Once a company has a large enough network effect they can do almost anything and people won’t leave. I’ve come to believe that it’s the most powerful form of lock in.

I actually did quit Twitter and nothing will be able to make me go back there. Principles and all that. But I suspect that the fraction of people that followed through on their statement that they would leave Twitter is super small. I also haven't gone anywhere else and I feel much the better for it.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#190

Why is this issue (API pricing) specifically important to reddit mods?

They claim it's because moderation tools are better on 3rd party apps, the truth is that they just don't want to see ads.

Most moderators overwhelmingly rely on the utility function you get in 3rd party apps that isn't currently in the official app, so I genuinely believe this is one aspect of the protest. I could be wrong, but I genuinely can't see a situation where this amount of action is purely around seeing ads.

Pretty unanimously, 3rd party app developers have said they'd happily show Reddit's ads in their feed, but Reddit never came out with this feature. I don't think any 3rd party app developer was expecting a free ride on Reddit's API forever.

Pretty good read, you might have already read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...

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