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Why is it that you characterize their view as 'insanity'?
They think they get to control who visits their website without putting up authentication controls, and choose to fight this battle by breaking Google's rules for deceptive websites (white text on white background).
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Do you have specific examples of content that you believe should be removed but is not? I'm asking because it's really hard to have a meaningful constructive conversation about these sort of topics without concrete examples, IMHO. I could respond with some generic comments, but they may not apply at all to the examples you have in mind. For what it's worth, I wrote a little extension to completely hide posts from cer…
As a concrete example, the person who posted this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36231243 should have been immediately banned and made an example out of, and the people who challenged them should be unflagged. > These seem like meaningless token gestures to be honest. They're not meaningless gestures! Thry stake out a clear position on controversial topics with all the attendant effects.
Whether or not they should be banned just for this: I don't know – maybe? It's not a new account and I didn't check their history, who knows what they meant with "colored"? I'm guessing dang never even saw it; there are hundreds if not thousands of posts every day!
Killing the entire thread was probably a good thing though; there is nothing productive there.
As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google. - HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work. - Asahi Linux tea…
Lesson learned for them is that you can never rely on the http referrer because it can be removed/updated/spoofed etc. A team that runs Linux should at least be aware of that and not block a website based on this value.
The actual lesson learned here I think is that certain communities don't have respect for the social contract when it benefits them. Though I suppose you are right, a team of linux users should never have expected a site ran by a venture capitalist firm to respect the social contract.
We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…
You did the right thing by adding noreferrer to their links. Knowing where people got to your site from without them explicitly telling you is a privilege, and it's one that they chose to abuse.
Besides, by your argument, connecting to websites at all is privilege. HN wants the privilege of reading their content (otherwise why not just block their site) without taking any responsibility for it.
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HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates. This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more w…
Their mind probably wasn't changed, but having civil discourse about intolerance is important.
I'd much rather see a racist post with thoughtful dissent (which the OP can then read, and is pretty much guaranteed on HN) than for racists to just get excluded, and have no cause to change their mind.
They then go to a more extreme forum, with people who only agree with them. The hate gets amplified instead of dissuaded.
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Someone sensitive to this kind of thing may already perceive this comment as offensive (because it contains an arguably overreaching suggestion and a hint of disgust), which seems like a good explanation for the strong response. Because I'm not directly emotionally involved I can make the following response: > he should probably just own it if it is indeed him Well, maybe, but consider that he may just not want to. T…
One question however: would Linus accept merging the commits signed by a pseudonym? Or Asahi patches would not be upstreamed due to this?
We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…
You did the right thing by adding noreferrer to their links. Knowing where people got to your site from without them explicitly telling you is a privilege, and it's one that they chose to abuse.
Similar to how freedom of religion also guarantees the right to not have any declared religion.
As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google. - HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work. - Asahi Linux tea…
> zero tolerance for those who defend wielding state violence against any oppressed, scapegoated and subjugated peoples & identities" is a hilariously unclear accusation.
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Also lots of accusations about how our entire site is somehow abusive even though 1) I and many others here have contributed our resources to Asahi and 2) they have not put forth sufficient (any??) evidence. I can imagine how stressful it must be to run a major project like Asahi, but it seems like a bit misguided to cast Hacker News as a net negative source of interest.
Until today, I had a positive perspective on Asahi, and HN is the only place in my life I ever heard about Asahi. Maybe they shouldn't paint with such broad brushes about the visitors to HN?
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Do you hate jwz, too? Because I assure you, if you follow a link from HN to jwz.org (without removing the referer header), you will get much worse than a Google redirect.
> Do you hate jwz, too? I mean, he definitely needs to look in the mirror.