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Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by crtified »

udkl wrote: post #120

~post deleted for privacy~ I will report back on the experiment, however.

Be sure to rule out the 'sugar rush' effect. Not that your ~150 millilitre (or just over 5 fl oz) drink is the world's worst in that respect - it weighs in at around 4 teaspoons of sugar, based upon my googling. Some energy drinks have more.

It's still the sugar equivalent of having a small cup of tea/coffee/water, and stirring in 4 sugars. If chugged down quickly, that's quite a hit! Even if not, it's still more sugar rich than most things you'll intake in your day-to-day.

Your experience may well be due in part or whole to taurine, I can't say. But parents of young children everywhere can attest to the effect of one overly sugary serving resulting in quite a bit of resultant hyperactivity and mood change over the following hours. So your experiments may benefit from some controls in that respect.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by udkl »

crtified wrote: post #141
udkl wrote: post #120

~post deleted for privacy~ I will report back on the experiment, however.

Be sure to rule out the 'sugar rush' effect. Not that your ~150 millilitre (or just over 5 fl oz) drink is the world's worst in that respect - it weighs in at around 4 teaspoons of sugar, based upon my googling. Some energy drinks have more. It's still the sugar equivalent of having a small cup of tea/coffee/water, and stirring in 4 sugars. If chugged down quickly, that's quite a hit! Even if not, it's still more sug…

It was a sugar-free monster. Drinking or eating other sugar rich products do not have the effect.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by crtified »

udkl wrote: post #142
crtified wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be sure to rule out the 'sugar rush' effect. Not that your ~150 millilitre (or just over 5 fl oz) drink is the world's worst in that respect - it weighs in at around 4 teaspoons of sugar, based upon my googling. Some energy drinks have more. It's still the sugar equivalent of having a small cup of tea/coffee/water, and stirring in 4 sugars. If chugged down quickly, that's quite a hit! Even if not, it's still more sug…

It was a sugar-free monster. Drinking or eating other sugar rich products do not have the effect.

That's great, then. It seems like, depending on how knowledge develops, taurine may become quite the popular product. As a person in a not-dissimilar situation - thanks a lot for posting.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by pfannkuchen »

deegles wrote: post #116
pfannkuchen wrote: post #82

Obviously the real driver of aging is that there was no selective pressure to keep the organism working after sufficient semi-clones were brought online, and keeping an organism functional is a hard problem. The solution is to gain the ability to simulate the organism that results from a particular DNA sequence, understand the design problems in the organism, fix the problems, then alter human DNA to include the fixe…

There is selective pressure for aging because populations of organisms that don't age cannot evolve to adapt to new environments.

Theoretically possible, but aging looks a lot more like gradual system failure than “feature on top of immortality”.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by paulryanrogers »

majkinetor wrote: post #129
gattilorenz wrote: post #89

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Alcohol is a carcinogen, so if you’re optimizing for “living longer” you should take exactly 0 mL a day. If you’re optimizing for living happier, on the other hand…

There is no such thing as 0 tollerance. Don't believe the anti-alcohol hype. There is such thing as hormesis, for basically any poison.

Evidence for hormesis is not convincing.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by pengaru »

isk517 wrote: post #71
browningstreet wrote: post #45

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MSM media is always trying to convince people they can live longer if they stick with coffee, berries, dark chocolate and wine — as if those foods needed boosters. And if true I’m quite sure we’d have people out there living to 150…

You probably can live longer if you stick with coffee (black), berries (minus the food you put the berries on top of), dark chocolate (unsweetened), and wine (in strict moderation).

Dark chocolate isn't exactly the safest food, even unsweetened:

https://time.com/6243073/heavy-metals-dark-chocolate-food/

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by Blackthorn »

xcv123 wrote: post #139
Blackthorn wrote: post #135

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There's no sophistry here. I simply find the FDA's GRAS finding, and the EU SCF's findings, to be much more convincing than a handful of restricted studies. You, clearly, do not feel the same, but given that you feel that my position on this is "sophistry" and "bullshit", it is obvious that we are incapable of having an actual discussion on it.

This is simple logic. It seems that you don't understand the meaning of the word "contradiction" "a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another." You wrote that there is no problem with sucralose. I showed studies indicating a problem with sucralose. That is a contradiction. Then you gaslight us saying there is no contradiction. Sophistry and gaslighting. This is basic english and l…

Words like "gaslight" must have no meaning anymore. All of my comments are here for reading. If you think I'm lying...I don't know what to tell you.

There's no contradiction. The FDA marks sucralose as GRAS, which means "generally recognized as safe". There's a study you found that disagree. There's other studies over the decades that disagree as well. You may choose to believe the body of evidence gathered by the FDA that made it make its recommendation, or you may choose not to. It appears that you do not wish to engage in good faith here, and prefer to make attacks against me and claim that I am gaslighting you, so I will not be continuing this conversation further.

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by noduerme »

akira2501 wrote: post #106
isk517 wrote: post #71

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You probably can live longer if you stick with coffee (black), berries (minus the food you put the berries on top of), dark chocolate (unsweetened), and wine (in strict moderation).

The third most common cause of death in the United States, at least before COVID was a thing, is "accidental self-inflicted injury." Heart Disease and Cancer, most in old age, are the top two. Making micro adjustments to your diet just doesn't stand a chance at making a meaningful difference.

I'd really like to see that category broken down by sobriety. The overwhelming majority of my accidental self-inflicted injuries have happened when I was drinking. Broken shoulder (let's have sex on the arm of this chair... oops, it has wheels), broken kneecap (running upstairs), partially severed thumb (sure, I'll just open this plastic case with a knife!)...

Re: Taurine deficiency as a driver of aging

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Post by slashdev »

inciampati wrote: post #34
topicseed wrote: post #6

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What's wrong with sucralose?

Putting chlorine in sugars that get metabolized seems to be a very bad idea because it leads to some very radical compounds getting loose in the cell.

Sucralose isn’t metabolized. The body excretes it in the same quantity you take in.

Also table salt is half chlorine and not a health issue (at least not because it contains chlorine).

The body is complex.

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