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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

mortify wrote: post #8
alanwreath wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But yeah, all that doesn’t make the price still sting/stink and “ costs seven times more “ Is a fair criticism

This is a high end Macbook Pro with a matching price tag and additional features. For a device that is aimed at developers and early adopters, it makes sense. In a year I expect to see the Apple Vision Air for less than half the price while the OS evolves.

But that would likely mean removing sensors or reducing resolution, which would make it completely different than vision pro. I highly doubt Apple could reduce the price for the same product given the number of sensors and the quality of screen.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by alpaca128 »

impulser_ wrote: post #17
mortify wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a high end Macbook Pro with a matching price tag and additional features. For a device that is aimed at developers and early adopters, it makes sense. In a year I expect to see the Apple Vision Air for less than half the price while the OS evolves.

I highly doubt it, maybe in a few years when cost of the components needed to build a Vision headset decrease. There is a lot of expensive tech in the Vision Pro. You have two processors, 4K eye pieces, expensive sensors, expensive cameras, expensive LIDAR. How are you suppose to build a similar product for half the price? You would have to gut a lot of features and you would end up with a completely different produc…

> The Quest 3 will outsell Vision Pro by 10x because of this.

I doubt it. If any of them will ever sell well it's because of an application that people care about. None of them will succeed if all they can offer is just Beat Saber in higher resolution and existing apps in 3D. I am sure it would be cool to have screens floating around, but virtual desktops do the job as well and to me the difference doesn't seem worth it.

I don't think the price is the main problem. Phones with folding displays aren't exactly a bargain either, and yet those are popular enough that Samsung is about to launch their fifth iteration. The difference is that those folding phones have benefits obvious to anyone who ever used a smartphone and a tablet.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by redundantly »

dham wrote: post #36
redundantly wrote: post #31

> They went with a higher resolution display, and between that and all the technology they put in there to power it, it costs seven times more and now requires so much energy that now you need a battery and a wire attached to it to use it. Comparing the pricing of your consumer level product to an enterprise level product is extremely disingenuous. He's clearly scared.

Is an enterprise product sitting around and watching "movies" by yourself?

I'm not sure how to reply to your comment.

Are you not aware of all the things apple showed this device will be able to do on release?

Are you aware and just being sarcastic?

Are you aware and unwilling to admit that it would have more uses than just watching movies?

Are you not aware that a business VR space already exists with similarly priced products?

What's your angle?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Yusefmosiah »

In this clash of visions, Apple wins by default. Not because Apple has a track record of setting the computer interface paradigm for the whole industry, but because Apple actually has its own vision — “spacial computing”. Zuck, on the other hand, aims to realize a sci-fi dystopia that he didn’t envision. Neal Stephenson did. Zuck didn’t found Oculus either.

Now, Zuck may be the world’s greatest opportunist; copying, acquiring, optimizing, and scaling technologies that have already demonstrated product-market-fit. I sincerely admire his executive excellence.

With this in mind, Apple Vision Pro has validated Meta’s pivot to hardware. If Zuck swallows his pride and pivots the Quest to copying Apple, Meta has the opportunity to own the Android of spacial computing, enabling low-cost devices, collecting data, and selling microtargeted ads. This will allow Meta to continue as a globally dominant entity, and Zuck will remain one of the world’s wealthiest men.

But will Zuck’s quest to be respected as a visionary cloud his judgment and jeopardize his empire?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by GeneralAntilles »

ricardobeat wrote: post #40
xnyan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.

Most people don't care about 'drive shaft quality' or 'steering wheel quality' in their cars either, but you can be sure it will be taken good care of by engineering, and subconsciously noticed.

There's truth in your point. People do feel the difference even when they don't notice it, but it doesn't seem like that's always (or even often?) reflected in the bottom line. Nissan sells an awful lot of cars with their crappy CVT transmissions and crossovers continue to be hugely popular in the US.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by scotty79 »

alanwreath wrote: post #4

So about: “ every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself “ I’m not sure I grasp the critique given commercials like: https://youtu.be/CfTC-dPwdLM And multiple parts of the Vision keynote highlighted being present with those remotely as well as those locally. “ so much energy that now you need a battery “ I think everyone remembers the part where Apple admitted they are behind and getting th…

I think this commercial illustrates his point perfectly: "It’s about people interacting in new ways and feeling closer in new ways."

Commercial shows people having close positive relationship built through novel interactions. Relationship that pretty much would be impossible through all other media like social real world chitchat.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by asjfka »

Apple Vision will fail. It doesn't matter if it's a good product or not. Fact is, wearing it makes you look like a dork. This is why it will fail. Segway made you look like a dork too and it failed. Then the hoverboard got out and you looked cool while using it and it is successful. There is a future for Apple Vision's tech, but this is not the product that will sell. People will buy a product that makes them look cool. As simple as that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by impulser_ »

alpaca128 wrote: post #42
impulser_ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt it, maybe in a few years when cost of the components needed to build a Vision headset decrease. There is a lot of expensive tech in the Vision Pro. You have two processors, 4K eye pieces, expensive sensors, expensive cameras, expensive LIDAR. How are you suppose to build a similar product for half the price? You would have to gut a lot of features and you would end up with a completely different produc…

> The Quest 3 will outsell Vision Pro by 10x because of this. I doubt it. If any of them will ever sell well it's because of an application that people care about. None of them will succeed if all they can offer is just Beat Saber in higher resolution and existing apps in 3D. I am sure it would be cool to have screens floating around, but virtual desktops do the job as well and to me the difference doesn't seem worth…

They sold 15m Quest 2 since release. Apple doesn't even think they will sell a million Vision Pros.

You can't compare VR/AR to Phones. Phones are used by almost everyone in the world on a daily basis. VR/AR is still completely new to the vast majority of people in the world. Phones have been around for decades even before the iPhone they had calling, messaging and internet. iPhone just made the interface better. The Vision Pro doesn't have this luxury. It has to be sold to people that have no experience with the technology and most probably don't have a favorably opinion about it.

IMO Quest marketing it better because it aimed towards a demographic that has the most experience with VR, gamers.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Rebelgecko »

anonzzzies wrote: post #14

Keep bickering ya’ll ; it’s all better for us people who want to get work done. Apple made it more serious and even shows they actually support some of the Vision of Zuck. Let all big corps come in and compete for whatever their vision is. I just want holodeck hardware and software with weeklong battery life. This is getting is closer. One of the things that the Apple announcement will do; because it supports all iOS…

Are the iOS games just in pancake mode, or are they doing something clever to make them 3D?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Rebelgecko »

symic wrote: post #7

Just having a higher resolution alone has made Apple Vision worth talking about. By all accounts I’ve read it’s very impressive. The interface is much better on the Vision than with the Quest. I had a Quest but I stopped using it because my eyes no longer can stand to see non retina screens. Pixelization was fine 15 years ago but anymore. Wearing glasses in the Quest was a pain. My glasses fogged up too often. Implem…

I got prescription lenses for my Quest and it was a game changer, if you ever yours it again I'd highly recommend dropping the $80 to get a set.
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