Switch to Debian. Seems more stable and sane than Ubuntu.
Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
#92I've heard a lot of praise for Debian and Ubuntu but the former was regularly kernel-panicking after updates (granted that was 10+ years ago so I am definitely not being up-to-date -- or even fair -- here) and the latter just keeps piling more and more stuff inside itself, defeating the purpose of a Linux box (for me at least; I want something much more minimal than macOS). Not to mention Ubuntu moves more and more s…
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
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You deal with it by being happy that it doesn't constantly change UI/Interface/Features and break your workflow unexpectedly sometimes. Yes, you don't always have the latest and greatest and if that's a solid requirement, Debian isn't a good choice. But for a stable, not-going-to-change-out-from-under-you point of view, Debian is fantastic. Software you can rely on that's still patched for security issues.
isn't there a testing/"unstable" version that has the latest/greatest? I had heard it was roughly as stable as ubuntu...
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
#94Just a reminder to everybody, Debian 12 is about to release in 2 days. A few years ago I moved back from Ubuntu to Debian and couldn't be happier.
How do you deal with grossly outdated software on Debian Desktop?
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
#95I've heard a lot of praise for Debian and Ubuntu but the former was regularly kernel-panicking after updates (granted that was 10+ years ago so I am definitely not being up-to-date -- or even fair -- here) and the latter just keeps piling more and more stuff inside itself, defeating the purpose of a Linux box (for me at least; I want something much more minimal than macOS). Not to mention Ubuntu moves more and more s…
Sounds like FreeBSD would suit you best honestly.
I really am not keen on manually downloading and loading kernel drivers. :( And I plan to start installing stuff on fairly random old laptops.
Do you have any extended experience with installing FreeBSD on all sorts of machines?
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
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When your browser is shipped via a snap and is 2 versions out of date because the update mechanism sucks and has been failing silently for over a month, it makes a difference. There's my personal anecdote.
why do you install it from snap? I'm using ubuntu and don't install from snap most of the time.
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
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Fedora isn't perfect, but it can go for weeks without updates and then update cleanly reliably, which is not something you typically get with rolling distributions. This makes it well suited for use as a dual booted secondary OS or VM OS.
Anecdata: I've used Arch Linux for several years and it's been probably 3-4 years since I've had any stability issues with it after upgrading. And the last time I did run into problems, it was from bugs in the open source AMD GPU drivers due to how relatively immature they were at the time. Would I use it for a mission critical workstation or server? Probably not. But for daily personal use, it's been completely fine…
I'm aware this isn't exactly what you were asking for—and with the disclaimer that I spent a lot of years as a Linux desktop user, so I do have a great deal of experience with how that "half" lives, but: this is one of the things that's so nice about MacOS + Homebrew. It's a very stable core (up through and including the graphical environment—after all, if that breaks on a workstation/desktop, that's nearly as bad as the whole OS breaking) that only updates every couple years (and I can ignore the updates a long time without notable consequences) with a very-high-package-count package manager that's rolling-release on top of it, for most of the software I directly use.
I'd love to see a Linux distro that worked that way—I don't think I could go back to doing package management the typical Linux way, on my workstation. I've done rolling-release, I've done everything-stable-and-maybe-some-bodged-in-extra-repositories-for-newer-stuff, and both suck, for my needs, compared to this arrangement. Stable core + rolling applications is great, would be thrilled to see more Linux distros explore that kind of thing.
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
#98I read through the comments here and I’m not excited at all about using something other than Ubuntu. Instead I’m solidly confident that macOS as a daily driver is the right choice for a busy developer who doesn’t want to mess with stuff.
This is true in the way you intend it, but also in a way that you don't.
Yes, macOS "just works" for most stuff--so you don't have to mess with it.
However, if you hit one of those things that does not just work, you can't mess with it so you still don't have to mess with it.
(Yes, I have hit them and they were enough to make me leave the macOS system. USB and Bluetooth are perennial frustrations for me with macOS and there are active threads with dozens of pages of complaints--so it isn't just me.)
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
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Sounds like FreeBSD would suit you best honestly.
Heard that before, I am just worried about hardware support, I have to admit. I really am not keen on manually downloading and loading kernel drivers. :( And I plan to start installing stuff on fairly random old laptops. Do you have any extended experience with installing FreeBSD on all sorts of machines?
Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?
#100Arch Linux is a meme but also a really solid distro. I'm writing this from a 2+ year old Arch install that has had basically 0 stability issues. "Rolling release" gets an undeserved bad reputation in my opinion, and many arch packages aren't as bleeding edge as you'd expect. Compared to Ubuntu where I'd often have major issues in between releases, I don't think I could ever go back.
I expect even greater things from Arch in the future with Valve's use of this distro on the Steam Deck.