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Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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Most of the ocean is desert lacking the limiting nutrients of nitrogen, phosphorous and iron. If we can cheaply fertilize large swathes of the ocean with these limiting nutrients in a controlled manner, then this could trigger massive algae blooms that on sinking sequester massive amounts of carbon.

It doesn't take an unreasonable amount of iron and the sequestering efficiency is 13k:1 C:Fe on a molar basis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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It's a cool idea but I don't see how this is a viable long term solution, even if done at a large scale. Global oil production is on the order of 90M barrels/year, each barrel contains about 300 lbs of oil, so we're currently producing something like 27B lbs (~12B kg) of oil per year. I'm not sure how much of this ends up as CO2 in the atmosphere versus e.g. plastics, but I think it's safe to say we're probably emitt…

> Global oil production is on the order of 90M barrels/year

It's much worse, this is off by a factor of ~365: that production of ~90M barrels is per day[1]. Global carbon emissions are up to 36 billion tons annually as of 2022[2].

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/265203/global-oil-produc...

[2] https://www.iea.org/reports/co2-emissions-in-2022

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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If we bring global CO2 back down to 280 ppm (like it was in the year 1700[1]), then a lot of today's farming methods will have substantially lower yields. Our modern crops need those higher CO2 levels to grow fast[2]. Without other ways to grow more food, people will starve. [1]: https://www.co2levels.org/img/graph_grid.png [2]: https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/images/greenhouse-...

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Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solution and various proposals may even be flirting with ecological disasters of planetary proportions. Anything that expands our footprint in order to mitigate our footprint is a dubious direction. Reminds of an apprentice wizard that panics and invokes a sequence of spells, each one worse than the other. Discussions and thinking around sustainability underestimat…

The Planetary Boundaries framework, extended from the original article in Nature [2] in 2009 is a good way to look at multiple of the Anthropocene symptoms.

[1] https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-bound...

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/461472a

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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Okay cool, so what is your timeline for how long will it take to stop humans from being greedy? You realize any solution that is "rich people stop being greedy" is no solution at all?

What do you think nation states are? They’re systems to prevent “most muscular and monstrous man wins everything.” We build such systems all the time and they do appear to be stable. The modern world couldn’t exist without their success.

Nation states are able to retain stability while having greedy rich actors. That's why it's a solution and yours isn't

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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This doesn't feel like a question asked in good faith but, 350 is a reasonable ppm target: https://350.org/about/ edit: better link https://mn350.org/understanding350/

I suggest 280 ppm is more akin to "pre industrial" levels, as that was the level about 300 years ago. 350 was the level around 1990, which is thoroughly "after we already messed it up".

I assume 350 is simply considered more achievable. It's not easy to remove carbon from the atmosphere, especially when you consider that a lot of it was not even in the biosphere before we pulled it out of rocks.

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There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solution and various proposals may even be flirting with ecological disasters of planetary proportions. Anything that expands our footprint in order to mitigate our footprint is a dubious direction. Reminds of an apprentice wizard that panics and invokes a sequence of spells, each one worse than the other. Discussions and thinking around sustainability underestimat…

>There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solutions OK but I think there will be.

We shouldn't be operating under the assumption that there will be.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #87

There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solution and various proposals may even be flirting with ecological disasters of planetary proportions. Anything that expands our footprint in order to mitigate our footprint is a dubious direction. Reminds of an apprentice wizard that panics and invokes a sequence of spells, each one worse than the other. Discussions and thinking around sustainability underestimat…

>There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solutions OK but I think there will be.

How? Unless you get a breakthrough with fusion, I just don’t see us finding the energy to make carbon removal feasible. You either need huge tracts of land to power forests, or massive amounts of energy from another source to do it with tech, and neither of those is going to be the easy fix people believe is coming.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #87

There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solution and various proposals may even be flirting with ecological disasters of planetary proportions. Anything that expands our footprint in order to mitigate our footprint is a dubious direction. Reminds of an apprentice wizard that panics and invokes a sequence of spells, each one worse than the other. Discussions and thinking around sustainability underestimat…

>There won't be any ingenious, miracle carbon removal solutions OK but I think there will be.

Technically there might be. There is plenty of brains around to explore all possibilities and there are far worse ways to waste talent. Just don't bet the planet on it, don't create a sense that a painless fix is just around the corner and then we can simply go on.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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If you don't care about harvesting it you might want to bioengineer something that will grow on the coast of Namibia and seed it there. This coast pretty much can't be used for anything.

What could possibly go wrong?

Do you have a better plan?

There are net positive CCS projects we must complete to bring the planet back from annihilation.

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