Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits • Hacker News Board

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by kortex » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:11 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #127

deelowe wrote: post #73

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Anything containing "rubber."

Doesn't rubber come from rubber trees? What does that have to do with PFAS? Teflon is not rubber, as far as I know PTFE are petro- flourochemicals

Very little "rubber" is actual natural latex rubber. Balloons, certain hose, and some gloves are natural latex, as are about 40% of the material in tires. The rest is synthetic elastomer. EPDM and Buna-N/nitrile are probably the most common.

Teflon is not rubber, but viton is fluorinated elastomer, and it's used everywhere as well.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by FrustratedMonky » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:12 PM UTC

So I guess when I was a kid and microwaved things until the plastic melted and the saranwrap melted, kind of sunk me.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by ajmurmann » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:15 PM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #97

lostlogin wrote: post #91

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Those containers have a shape and style and the place names allow me to visualise what they look like.

Nobody else knows what your country of origin status symbol words are supposed to mean, so using them to communicate has one clear motive and it isn't clarity

I didn't know what a Korean steel container looked like, but Google gave me clarity and now I want some.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by Taywee » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

digging wrote: post #173

Taywee wrote: post #166

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Both of those things are straight-up improvements, even if they're not perfect. You can nit-pick every single thing all you want, but better is better.

Changing the container your soda comes in is like sanding off splinters from the sharpened stake you're about to stab into your leg.

That's a ridiculous analogy. What about suger-free sodas, or sparkling water without even artificial sweeteners? What about people who drink soda, but still don't go over the daily recommended sugar intake, and otherwise have healthy lifestyles?

I'd be willing to make two assumptions:

1. A gaping wound in your leg is probably less healthy than a moderately-high sugar consumption.

2. People who are concerned about nanoplastic intake are probably also concerned about deleterious health effects of things like sugar intake.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by throitallaway » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:16 PM UTC

digging wrote: post #81

Solvency wrote: post #48

So do seed oils and other PUFAs and a thousand other things and if anyone would just listen to a podcast once in a while (like Peter Attia's) they'd learn a thing or two.

> just listen to a podcast once in a while Sorry, but this just sounds so silly. If only I would take a little bit of time out of my day to pick one of the 45 new podcasts created that morning and learn from its reliable, well sourced arguments!

Is "listen to a podcast" the new "read a book"?

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by throitallaway » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

kwhitefoot wrote: post #164

EMCymatics wrote: post #143

One of the reasons I love Pyrex

So long as it isn't modern US made Pyrex which is just soda glass not borosilicate.

Soda glass is likely safer than plastics when it deteriorates and is subsequently ingested.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by kortex » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

nahstra wrote: post #67

deelowe wrote: post #51

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One of my favorite quotes is: "A problem is a challenge with a least one workable solution. A dilemma is challenge with multiple choices, all equally bad." If we eliminated all PFAS chemicals today, society would collapse. What's the point of eliminating PFAS chemicals to improve life expectancy if the very act of doing so would cause a famine?

What products use PFAS whose absence would cause society to collapse? If you look at the major sources of PFAS by 3M, it's not like these were essential products. Here's a random list from wisconsin.gov: Cleaning products. Water-resistant fabrics, such as rain jackets, umbrellas and tents. Grease-resistant paper. Nonstick cookware. Personal care products, like shampoo, dental floss, nail polish, and eye makeup. Stain…

Just because you don't personally encounter it, doesn't mean it's non-essential.

Viton is essential in modern engines. Basically anywhere you are in contact with gasoline, you need fluoroelastomer.

The entire chemicals industry - everything from medicine to energy to commodity chemicals - would collapse overnight if you took away teflon, viton, and PVDF. That's not hyperbole, it's used everywhere and there are no drop in alternatives. Silicone can fit the bill for some purposes, but it has nowhere the compatibility and longevity of viton. We have no real non-fluoronated alternative to teflon.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by ne0flex » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:20 PM UTC

Convenient non-plastic solutions need to be developed. After learning about micro plastics and forever chemicals, I started to get paranoid of this stuff. Started cooking at home more and started removing plastic from my daily life. After my wife got pregnant, I keep telling her to avoid plastic, but she doesn't seem to take it seriously. She purchased plastic food containers, I tell her don't microwave food in it, but she does it anyway because the container is "microwave safe". She also wants to carry her own lunch but glass containers are heavy and she doesn't want to carry that. I keep reminding her that she shouldn't use it, especially while pregnant, but she says that I'm stressing her out with that. She said she's open to using non-plastic stuff but it needs to be as convenient as the plastic products she's using now. It's difficult to find proper replacements for stuff like plastic wraps, or lightweight glass food / beverage containers.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by kortex » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

ramijames wrote: post #96

A modern, worse version of lead in gasoline.

I don't think you understand how bad lead is for neural development. It's far worse than plastic. And with leaded gas, there was no escaping it. At least you can generally live a no-plastic or reduced-plastic lifestyle. We literally dosed an entire generation with aerosolized heavy metals.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by samstave » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

kornhole wrote: post #131

Yes those N95 and other disposable masks people have been wearing for years are made of plastic. This is a great way to ingest nanoplastics.

Its not so much about ingesting from wearing them - they are almost single-use and disposable - how many TRILLIONS of plastic masks have been thrown into the environment in the last 3 years.

Seriously - if I had enough tinfoil - I'd say that our entire dietary ecosystem is under attack, directly, in order to reduce the healthiness of our food supply. Plus the many many food processing/farm etc plants which caught fire in the last 18 months.