Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

theguardian.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

971–980 of 1001 posts

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#971

Post by qwerty456127 »

burnished wrote: post #870
qwerty456127 wrote: post #866

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we so confident in our understanding of reality being so perfect nobody in the whole universe could have found a way to transcend the limitations it imposes? I would totally expect an advanced alien race to consider our physical science ridiculous.

Because of the complete lack of evidence.

It is illogical to build confidence on top of lack of evidence of your wrongness. In a virtually-infinite (relatively to your size and age and the limits of your senses and cognition) universe there always is some evidence you just don't know about. Our science is quite decent from our perspective, doing a great job describing the reality we perceive, but it seems absurdly naïve to consider it the ultimate knowledge. As history shows it changes regularly and will change a lot more someday in future.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#973

Post by drumttocs8 »

sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

What year? Fits the military drone narrative.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#974

Post by nk83 »

sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

I created an account just to chime in . Had the same experience happen to me around 30 years ago in a rural area. I think the only reason I was able to distinguish the round shape against the night sky was because there was almost no light pollution. In my case it was a small group of them flying in a v shape Formation just passing by.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#975

Post by scns »

Loquebantur wrote: post #844
scns wrote: post #841

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces. A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an me…

How dou you suppose your own competence to be sufficient to judge his claims "must be wrong" and on top of it attest this guy some "mental illness"?

Where did i judge him or attest anything? Maybe i expressed myself badly, in a way that was easy to misunderstand.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#976

Post by zdyn5 »

bragr wrote: post #152

Tangential, but there's some great analysis and debunks of the video the headline photo is taken from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs Simulation: https://www.metabunk.org/gimbal/

If the rotation of the craft is simply due to a rotation of the camera, why do the clouds not also rotate? I’ve only skimmed the video but he doesn’t seems to account for this relative rotation between the craft and clouds…

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#977

Post by storkhm »

scotty79 wrote: post #821
eek2121 wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

> The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. Those videos show no such thing. All the stuff about outmanoeuvring is a fantastic narration. Videos show only dots which can be (and were) explained as a bird from above, plane from behind and glitchy camera mount with a bit of optical artifacts on top. Which is infinitely more plausible than aliens from anot…

To me, if you watch videos of what amateurs can do with the maneuverability of a $300 racing FPV drone it is most likely those are military drones of some sort.

Even a $300 racing drone looks pretty alien if you have never seen one. A $3 million dollar one would absolutely look like it is from another planet.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#978

Post by KETpXDDzR »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Sounds like the plot of the x-files.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#979

Post by Dylan16807 »

pmarreck wrote: post #474
King-Aaron wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

It's trivially easy to keep covering something up, even with information leaks, if the vast majority of the public disbelieves the entire premise from the get-go.

No it's not. Interesting evidence would be seen by tens of millions of people within a day.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#980

Post by dTal »

eek2121 wrote: post #387
tialaramex wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

>I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach.

Far from it! From the Earth to the Moon by Jules Verne was written in 1865, and was a reasonable attempt at hard sci-fi. More scientifically, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky published "Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices" in 1903, some 6 years after deriving his famous rocket equation; it advanced the basic concept of the space rocket, that we all take for granted today. In 1923, exactly a century ago, Hermann Julius Oberth published his book "The Rocket in Interplanetary Space", a thoroughly practical treatment in which he argues that human-rated rocket-powered space flight was not just theoretically possible but feasible and maybe even profitable.[0]

So century ago, not only was space firmly established as a place we could go, but also enough groundwork had been done that it was known how we would get there.

[0] https://ia800304.us.archive.org/24/items/nasa_techdoc_197200...

Post reply on HN