Ancient Carthaginians did sacrifice their children (2014)

Post by Eisenstein » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 7:16 AM UTC

ChainOfFools wrote: post #228

Eisenstein wrote: post #227

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What would be the point of doing that? Let's go for something more relevant: would it be acceptable to you for me to force you to give a pint of blood every day to keep alive someone in a coma who could not live but for your blood?

What point do you need, isn't it a private matter to be decided only by the person who is housing the fetus? But let's say there was a medical reason to do so for the sake of a child who was already born perhaps extremely premature and lost an arm in the process of extraction. By the standards given above, the already born child outranks the one still in the womb, and should be entitled to the arm if the owner of the…

Post by easytiger » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 10:54 AM UTC

Veen wrote: post #159

easytiger wrote: post #135

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She has no more or less evidence than anyone previous when this was published. It's a directed attempt to create a history based entirely on speculation. The language treatment on the linked page screams it out > And the practice of child sacrifice could even hold the key to why the civilisation was founded in the first place. and > 'But in the 20th century, people increasingly took the view that this was racist prop…

You’re probably right, but nothing you’ve said will convince anyone that you are. If you want people to take your argument seriously, you have to do more than point out the author’s biases. You have to engage with her arguments and say why they are flawed.

Post by causi » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #227

ChainOfFools wrote: post #225

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Would it be acceptable to you to surgically remove the arm of, say, a 10 week old fetus, on the grounds that it is not able to survive outside the womb and therefore is just a piece of the mother's body at that point?

What would be the point of doing that? Let's go for something more relevant: would it be acceptable to you for me to force you to give a pint of blood every day to keep alive someone in a coma who could not live but for your blood?

Post by Eisenstein » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 12:20 PM UTC

causi wrote: post #234

Eisenstein wrote: post #215

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If an infant is able to survive outside of another person without being hooked up to modern medical equipment I would say there is a very big difference between it an something which cannot.

If an infant is able to survive outside of another person without being hooked up to modern medical equipment I would say there is a very big difference between it an something which cannot. What happens when we invent artificial wombs? It isn't that far away.

Post by simonh » Thu, Jun 08, 2023, 12:56 PM UTC

readthenotes1 wrote: post #220

Apofis wrote: post #217

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You would be surprised: a child that was difficult to provide for and had no future of providing for you in your old age wasn't that hard to discard even 100 years ago.

Some people believe abortion is basically the same thing