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Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by mfalcao »

ladberg wrote: post #79
wlesieutre wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, about the main developer being a vtuber? I can imagine people being shitty about that, but I always read through the Asahi posts when I see them and I've yet to see it come up here.

Not just being a vtuber, but outing them as an alter ego of marcan. Not exactly the nicest thing to do on HN's part (and I'm probably complicit by posting this comment), but also the information is already "out there" and blocking HN to keep it under wraps isn't a great strategy.

If that is actually him and he doesn't want to be associated with that persona then making this video [0] was a weird choice... But in any case it seems natural that people are curious about this, after all it's a popular project and listing virtual avatars as members is strange.

At this point he should probably just own it if it is indeed him.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=effHrj0qmwk

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

NoGravitas wrote: post #97
pseudosavant wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is enough to make me never touch Asahi Linux. What a childish game for a Linux distro? How dare someone link to their website without their approval...because that is totally how the internet works?? ffs.

Do you hate jwz, too? Because I assure you, if you follow a link from HN to jwz.org (without removing the referer header), you will get much worse than a Google redirect.

....like what?

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by josephcsible »

zamadatix wrote: post #98
dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

It's probably good to not allow redirects or targeted content to users, and those are valid complaints. I totally shouldn't get link redirected, sent to a shady site, or displayed offensive content, different than what the submitter might have seen since they didn't have a referrer, because the other side of the link is hostile to users here. That said, I think a "banned link" list for submissions might serve this pu…

You're missing the point. Site owners shouldn't be allowed to say "people aren't allowed to talk about my site on Hacker News".

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by Kye »

NoGravitas wrote: post #97
pseudosavant wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is enough to make me never touch Asahi Linux. What a childish game for a Linux distro? How dare someone link to their website without their approval...because that is totally how the internet works?? ffs.

Do you hate jwz, too? Because I assure you, if you follow a link from HN to jwz.org (without removing the referer header), you will get much worse than a Google redirect.

It's at least clear where the balls come from. A tab redirected to Google would just leave me confused and concerned about malware.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by josephcsible »

NoGravitas wrote: post #103
dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

It's absolutely super gross to selectively apply noreferer to links only to Asahi Linux or JWZ's blog, because it's obvious you're doing it specifically to spite the people running those sites. If you applied it to every link, that might be different. I mean, the receipts are still out there, people still know what's up. But at least you're not being openly prejudicial.

> because it's obvious you're doing it specifically to spite the people running those sites. If you applied it to every link, that might be different.

It's not to spite those people. It's because only those sites abuse the information. Applying it to all links would almost be collective punishment.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by josephcsible »

anaganisk wrote: post #87
personjerry wrote: post #24

As far as the thread goes, the author sounds as though they are a child throwing a tantrum. In the original OpenGL thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36212674 there seems to be some discussion as to why the author hates HN, i.e. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229753 quoted here: > It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appea…

You can't just claim that without knowing the context. Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly. C'mon we aren't talking about using a VPN to evade a region block, it's one website abusing their referrer tags against another.

> Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly.

Why? You don't have a right to not be talked about.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by _cenw »

personjerry wrote: post #24

As far as the thread goes, the author sounds as though they are a child throwing a tantrum. In the original OpenGL thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36212674 there seems to be some discussion as to why the author hates HN, i.e. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229753 quoted here: > It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appea…

> > In particular, he is upset that people on Hacker News tend to point out that a contributor on Asahi - Lina - appears to be a computer-generated anime alter ego of Marcan himself.

Is that just gospel on HN now? I have seen zero proof for this accusation, it reeks of the same kind of thinking that some people had when they claimed a person who had died from suicide after relentless bullying must actually be alive because they allegedly have the same writing style as a person in marcan's chat.

But, you know, maybe all of Asahi is just Marcan.

Can't wait for the Kiwifarmers throwaway to tell me how this is not actually a conspiracy and totally real and... just please don't. You are the reason Marcan wants nothing to do with this site.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by mindcrime »

zamadatix wrote: post #112
mindcrime wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should. Personally speaking, I flagged this thread, and I hope others do as well. There's nothing productive to be accomplished here, nor anything intellectually stimulating to discuss. So yeah, I'm totally for deleting/killing this entire post.

I think a public review of what to do by Dang (responded to this thread) is not only productive, but highly valuable. It's unreasonable to sit around and wait for a neutral version of this discussion to pop up, it likely never will and the issue is only going to get worse.

I respectfully disagree. IMO, this is all just a lot of pointless meta navel-gazing which is of no value whatsoever. But I'm just one guy, and we all know what they say about opinions. shrug

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by josephcsible »

minimaxir wrote: post #54
mvdtnz wrote: post #13

[flagged]

Looking at the HTML for the blog post section of the site, it's not what's advertised, or they haven't implemented it yet as it's just the Google redirect. document.referrer.startsWith("https://news.ycombinator.com")&&(console.log("Hacker News is becoming worse than 4chan. Do better."),document.location="https://google.com") EDIT: Yes, it's the old redirect added in March: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.git…

Asahi Linux is exploiting a browser vulnerability with that CSS trick, specifically the one that https://varun.ch/history shows off. Firefox has a mitigation for that vulnerability by turning off layout.css.visited_links_enabled.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by mindcrime »

tonightstoast wrote: post #102
mindcrime wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it should. Personally speaking, I flagged this thread, and I hope others do as well. There's nothing productive to be accomplished here, nor anything intellectually stimulating to discuss. So yeah, I'm totally for deleting/killing this entire post.

I think this is about as “productive” as the threads regarding the Rust foundation debacle(s). Did you believe those should be flagged too? I don’t think they were. Personally I believe the communication from Asahi’s leadership regarding the users of HN to be relevant. And as others have pointed out in this thread, especially when HN users have supported development of Asahi.

Did you believe those should be flagged too?

I don't know, the whole issue was not important enough to me for me to spend much time reading those threads.

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