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Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by LinuxBender »

pseudosavant wrote: post #53
mvdtnz wrote: post #13

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> everyone who has ever submitted to Hacker News gets to see this banner on our website until they clear their browser history and stop contributing to HN Wow, that is even more insane. They are actively going to show an ugly banner, to every user they can determine has contributed to HN, telling them to stop contributing to HN? Does your Linux distro actively try and push you into specific social media patterns?? Me…

Does your Linux distro actively try and push you into specific social media patterns?? Me neither.

I've also never seen that from an OS maintainer. I've only seen that in small semi-private forums that are trying to stay somewhat below the radar and even then it is rather silly. Those sites should just make themselves private, password protected and invite-only. OS distributions should be welcoming and inclusive for all assuming they care at all about adoption of their work

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by tonightstoast »

mindcrime wrote: post #61
throwawayadvsec wrote: post #11

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As it should. Personally speaking, I flagged this thread, and I hope others do as well. There's nothing productive to be accomplished here, nor anything intellectually stimulating to discuss. So yeah, I'm totally for deleting/killing this entire post.

I think this is about as “productive” as the threads regarding the Rust foundation debacle(s). Did you believe those should be flagged too? I don’t think they were.

Personally I believe the communication from Asahi’s leadership regarding the users of HN to be relevant. And as others have pointed out in this thread, especially when HN users have supported development of Asahi.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by NoGravitas »

dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

It's absolutely super gross to selectively apply noreferer to links only to Asahi Linux or JWZ's blog, because it's obvious you're doing it specifically to spite the people running those sites. If you applied it to every link, that might be different. I mean, the receipts are still out there, people still know what's up. But at least you're not being openly prejudicial.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by foogazi »

pseudosavant wrote: post #37
jawns wrote: post #16

As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google. - HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work. - Asahi Linux tea…

This is enough to make me never touch Asahi Linux. What a childish game for a Linux distro? How dare someone link to their website without their approval...because that is totally how the internet works?? ffs.

What about robots.txt ? lots of sites have preferences on how you access them

Paywalled articles are posted here everyday

Why not respect the site owners wishes ?

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by NoGravitas »

a_shovel wrote: post #66
jacooper wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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One hundred percent. HN is becoming Kiwifarms for people who are just smart enough to not make direct threats or personal attacks.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by LinuxBender »

dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

I think your current site-wide Referrer-Policy of origin is fine. It's probably just bots and some addons overriding or ignoring it. People can still see where traffic is coming from via the bots and addons that ignore it and spoof referrer by adding one. There is no way to make everyone happy especially with something that varies so much by user-agent configured behavior.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by uberman »

ladberg wrote: post #79
wlesieutre wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, about the main developer being a vtuber? I can imagine people being shitty about that, but I always read through the Asahi posts when I see them and I've yet to see it come up here.

Not just being a vtuber, but outing them as an alter ego of marcan. Not exactly the nicest thing to do on HN's part (and I'm probably complicit by posting this comment), but also the information is already "out there" and blocking HN to keep it under wraps isn't a great strategy.

Wait, so this is about a virtual avatar identity project leader possibly being the alter ego of one of the other project leads?

I just naturally assumed that to be the case after doing a search on "Asahi Linux" as I knew nothing about that project.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by pseudosavant »

tonightstoast wrote: post #68
minimaxir wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the HTML for the blog post section of the site, it's not what's advertised, or they haven't implemented it yet as it's just the Google redirect. document.referrer.startsWith("https://news.ycombinator.com")&&(console.log("Hacker News is becoming worse than 4chan. Do better."),document.location="https://google.com") EDIT: Yes, it's the old redirect added in March: https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.git…

Wow. Have these people ever been on 4chan? I’m with that other comment, this childish dogma is making it difficult to be supportive of Asahi.

Yes, I'm sure HN is just as bad as that site where people do things like doxx/swat users, or encourage things like a violent insurrection.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by zamadatix »

NoGravitas wrote: post #103
dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

It's absolutely super gross to selectively apply noreferer to links only to Asahi Linux or JWZ's blog, because it's obvious you're doing it specifically to spite the people running those sites. If you applied it to every link, that might be different. I mean, the receipts are still out there, people still know what's up. But at least you're not being openly prejudicial.

I don't think there is any reason it's "obvious" it's being done specifically out of spite. I think trying to solve the user complaints but not thinking deeply enough about the solution is a far more reasonable story.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

dang wrote: post #78

We got complaints from users about sites punishing HN referrers so I tried to oblige them, the same way we do other user requests. At the moment I feel caught in a double bind because there are complaints no matter what we do. I'm in a workshop today and can only check HN on breaks, so I can't properly read this thread yet. I'll return to it later, probably this evening. Edit: I think I agree with the users arguing t…

Dang, whatever you do, someone will be unhappy.
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