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Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by thumbuddy »

causi wrote: post #214
thumbuddy wrote: post #161

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I'm not saying psychedelics can't make you perceive things an unaltered brain cannot. I'm just saying they can't fit tens of thousands of times as much thought into the same amount of time, just that they can make you believe you did, and that experiencing a sense of deep time is not the same thing as experiencing deep time itself. I can dream or be drugged or hypnotized or otherwise fooled into believing I had sex w…

Offer any real reason why a person cannot experience extreme time dilation? Proof by contradiction? Anything other than a hunch... Because a lot of people across a lot of cultures with various substances have experienced and independently reported this. To say "no because I don't think so" is akin to gas lighting people who dropped a ball and observed it always fell, or found certain ores were attracted to certain metals. There's a lot of evidence for these experiences, and it's quite reproducible.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by thumbuddy »

goolz wrote: post #259
thumbuddy wrote: post #76

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Ive heard a lot of folklore surrounding these topics. I'd just be weary personally. At one point if you admitted you had used psychedelics some number of times you were considered insane and there's no way you could pass a polygraph. Obviously no one can vouch for this topic, but consider the vulnerability associated with intense psychedelic use. If someone wanted to make you die in real life, black mail you, etc, th…

Oh god mate, I would never hahaha. Not to mention I would never work for the soul-less NSA.

I have nothing against the agency. I know people who used to work for them, and they are alright once you see their soul and not how they operate. But, I also know that you have to offer something more than loyalty to be trusted in groups such as those. Drug traffickers will ask for the names of your kids, the NSA already has that and requires more(is my understanding anyways). me personally, I've given enough in my life, if my word isn't enough, then I have no interest in the asymmetric business relationship. IE if you need my life, then keep your secrets, I'll keep mine, and off we go in our separate directions.

Also, not super interested in barbed wire lunches, being used for psychological experiments, armed guards behind me while I write if statements, etc. Not my thing, but I know some people are fine with the trade.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by areeh »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #172
tuyiown wrote: post #162

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The perception as two sides: the signal, and how it's processed. The signal is real and true just by it's existence. Note that this also applies with self-generated signal such as phantom limbs. For the processing, the subjective part of the perception, lot of things falls appart, attaching any notion of reality and trustiness looks like a choice to enable some lines of reflection. A choice heavily oriented by our ow…

I think the point I was making is different. It was that perception and experiences are real, just not necessarily reflective of a shared reality. The state of consciousness is much more than just the processing of external signals. > if you have a solid source or line of thought that manages to explain one's sense of reality being more than «it's how I feel it for me, so that must be true of others, otherwise it's q…

As Sam Harris has discussed several times, if you run the thought experiment of what is definitely real and not to its conclusion, subjective experience is the only thing that cannot be faked as it does not make any claim beyond the experience itself. Even if there is no real world out there, you're just sitting on a hard drive in a super computer being simulated, your subjective experience was proven to be true the moment you experienced it.

There is a distance between your experience and the shared reality (a bunch of signals, perception and processing) that we use science to try to overcome

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by schwartzworld »

LastTrain wrote: post #163
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

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I feel like time goes by “slower” for me ever since I did a heroic dose a few years ago. Used to be stressed the f out all the time. Now I feel like I can enjoy every full second. Crazy how much time we have in life when we just stop paying attention to the negative energies like stress and instead channel them into storage for something positive later. I’ve always been efficient and quick at learning new things and…

The problem is, of course, you have no idea if that dose is what caused the change. That change in personal outlook may have been coming your direction anyway, or you may have experienced it sooner if you hadn't been doing LSD at all.

And if you had wheels, you could be a bus.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by yieldcrv »

dvt wrote: post #27

For those that are curious, these are the messages: https://imgur.com/a/y0mXbAk Decoded using: ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=36:weights="1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1" output.mp4 ffmpeg -i output.mp4 -vf "curves=all='0/0 0.05/1 1/1'" bright.mp4 We need to use the second command, as frame averaging in ffmpeg lowers luminosity. There's probably a way to cleverly get aroun…

thank you! I was very frustrated by this whole thing

Like, you want us to take 150ug just to see your puzzle? Well that could be fun in the right context, not on HN though

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by yieldcrv »

dandanua wrote: post #149
redox99 wrote: post #31

You can see the messages if you take a long exposure shot (2s) from your phone Here are the photos from my phone https://imgur.com/a/WOqbQVo

So, psychedelics can give you a longer exposure vision. It might be useful for looking at stars and galaxies. Not so much for everything else.

most "recreational/party drugs” change the hardware, like pupils dilate, heart rate, pores open or close

psychedelics, specifically LSD and psilocybin, are like a software change, enough is like a firmware change. When it comes to sight, its more like some side image decoder in the image processing pipeline is modified, as opposed to your eye hardware or brain/storage itself. some people experience a latent side effect called HPPD (Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder) where they get these visual distortions for days to years after every other affect has gone away. this is an area that needs research but is quite obscure and getting there is too vilified right now.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by s1artibartfast »

areeh wrote: post #283
s1artibartfast wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point I was making is different. It was that perception and experiences are real, just not necessarily reflective of a shared reality. The state of consciousness is much more than just the processing of external signals. > if you have a solid source or line of thought that manages to explain one's sense of reality being more than «it's how I feel it for me, so that must be true of others, otherwise it's q…

As Sam Harris has discussed several times, if you run the thought experiment of what is definitely real and not to its conclusion, subjective experience is the only thing that cannot be faked as it does not make any claim beyond the experience itself. Even if there is no real world out there, you're just sitting on a hard drive in a super computer being simulated, your subjective experience was proven to be true the…

Thanks, this is another way of explaining what I was trying to convey.

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Post by lostmsu »

swayvil wrote: post #276
lostmsu wrote: post #240

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> First-hand observation Well no, it is not. If you spot an UFO, chances are your "first-hand observation" is lying to you.

Or you might say that your seeing is good but your interpretation is bad. Or vice versa even. It ain't so clearly cut.

The problem with drug users is that they don't seem to be alarmed that others can't confirm the "profoundness" of their experiences from outside. They tend to discard the obvious explanation of their fascination: their own stupidity induced by drugs makes trivial things seem profound. E.g. the fact that the interpretation is broken.

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Post by quitit »

Seems a bit inflated to describe that it can only be understood when taking psychedelics. It takes nothing more than a long exposure mode(1) on your camera to see the image live.

(1) such as:

- Night mode

- Fireworks mode

- "Live photo -> Long exposure"

- Countless other modes that do an equivalent frame layering function

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by GolDDranks »

Retr0id wrote: post #83
GolDDranks wrote: post #53

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> I have higher-than-average vision persistence First time heard about this. Do you think that you have more "buffer space" for past visual input than average, or do the older and newer visual input "merge together" in the same "buffer space"? What I'm trying to get at is that does this come at cost of blurring vision or reaction speed, or do you have no problems related to those?

The latter. This is the first time it's ever been remotely "useful", the rest of the time it's annoying.

Thanks for answering! TIL
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