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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by berniedurfee »

As much as I want to believe that the truth is out there. It seems highly improbable that every craft that has crashed ever has done so in the territory of the small number of countries with the motives, resources and strict governance to recover and hide these artifacts with zero shreds of physical evidence.

I’m certain there are plenty of countries and groups that would proudly parade around a crashed UFO if it came down on their soil. Maybe these craft spend 99% of their time hanging out over highly secure US military sites.

Sounds pretty boring to me to come all this way to observe ancient technology.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Grimm665 »

tzs wrote: post #241
wizofaus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

That reminds me of an amusing story I read in Analog several years ago. I don't remember the name or author. It was about the first time travel trip. The team that developed the first time machine decided to send the first traveler to visit Shakespeare, figuring that Shakespeare had a flexible enough mind to not be freaked out by the visit. When the traveler got to Shakespeare they were right that he did not freak ou…

If you haven't watched the movie Primer yet, you may enjoy it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Lmao. If aliens actually did exist (they may well do, but given the size of the universe, probably far far away from our terrible species) then why do all the paranoid conspiracy loving Americans seem to think that ONLY the U.S. would have found evidence of aliens, or found an alien craft or materials or whatever?

Because it's all bullshit, that's why. Granted, the Brits silenced themselves so that the entire world didn't know that they were the first to build a computer, so I suppose the secrecy required is possible.

But in all of human history, we're expected to believe that an alien craft was discovered by the U.S. gov, at the right time for us to have the tech to discover it and that this was the only craft around?

Surely an alien species' timelines aren't going to magically line up with ours, surely a supposed craft could've landed at any point in our short history on this planet.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lithos »

bostonsre wrote: post #60
NickC25 wrote: post #2

Won't happen. Why? The most obvious questions will be asked, and those questions will hurt the financial interests of the powers-that-be. Questions like "how did they get here?" and "what is the energy source that powers these crafts?" Politicians with stock portfolios chock full of Oil&Gas stocks will certainly not want that info seeing the light of day. Same with those who hold defense stocks - all those trillions…

Successful conspiracies seem hard to keep a cap on when they get too big. If this is the first leak of something true related to actual materials, it could spur the few non-evil congressman to dig further and cause further leaks. If this is a true conspiracy and they had complete control, all of this UAP stuff wouldn't have popped up in the media and in congress in the past few years.

Nah it would spur the evil ones more. Knowing what companies got tech access first would be worth billions when insider trading.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lucubratory »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #390
zoogeny wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

I don't understand why someone would have the docs and choose to hold them back while still going public. It ultimately weakens the story and his credibility, and if it is true, there's not much stopping the powers that he crossed in the process from coming after him anyway. The government isn't gonna go light on this guy simply because he didn't go to the press. They send a message to anyone who might be thinking ab…

I mean, I agree that he should have leaked it publicly because I'm "publicly" and I want to see it. But I think it's pretty unarguably true that if you feel it is incumbent on you to leak classified materials and are unwilling to go Snowden and flee the US, then your best bet for not being arrested is to give the documents to Congress so they can support your testimony and protect you from retaliation, then not go to the media so the Pentagon doesn't hate your guts.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

dieselgate wrote: post #358
tialaramex wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nradov »

tialaramex wrote: post #348
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

The vast majority of Americans have seen TV news videos of VTOL jet aircraft (AV-8 Harrier or F-35B Lightning II). A large fraction have even seen them in person at air shows where they have been top attractions for decades.

https://airshows.aero/Page/AboutAS-Facts

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ddalex »

hermitcrab wrote: post #164
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Or c) we live in a simulation, and simulation admins break the 4th wall sometimes to leave us gifts... from Jeanne D'Arc to UFOs
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