Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077 at Ultra on an M1 MBP

Post by yurishimo » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 10:06 AM UTC

AmericanChopper wrote: post #23

yurishimo wrote: post #18

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You're gonna sell your stocks in the most successful tech company of all time because they don't have enough video games? I think Apple has proven they can grow a company's value without games. But what we all want is a larger investment in games so the Mac becomes a competitive platform again. Not to mention the headset... we'll see, but there is no reason to expect it won't be an insane commercial success by gen 3.

> But what we all want is a larger investment in games so the Mac becomes a competitive platform again. As a Mac-only user, I really don’t care about games. I guess it’s cool if they work on it, but I wouldn’t want Apple diverting resources away from other areas to try and make it a gaming device.

Post by yreg » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 10:09 AM UTC

DCKing wrote: post #44

yreg wrote: post #34

As John Siracusa discussed on this week's ATP[0], it's incredible how much effort Apple puts into this considering the result. Apple built it's own little parallel gaming stack world that works really well on their hardware and the hardware is also amazing for the power envelopes it is wrapped in. But then Apple doesn't ship devices with actually powerful GPUs, so it can never compete with the gaming PCs which are fa…

> Apple built it's own little parallel gaming stack world that works really well on their hardware I think saying "its own parallel gaming stack" probably gives them too much credit [1]. Yes - they put in significant effort, but their gaming stack is neither "parallel" to the rest of the world, nor "their own" in any real sense. They seem to have adapted the open source efforts of Codeweavers, Valve, Wine and the bro…

Post by renewiltord » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 10:12 AM UTC

nrclark wrote: post #48

renewiltord wrote: post #35

How are Wine and friends actually legal considering the Oracle v Google thing on Java? I've always loved it but really do wonder. That was a blasphemous verdict.

Google won that in the end. It went all the way to the Supreme Court.

Post by nilptr » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

nrclark wrote: post #48

renewiltord wrote: post #35

How are Wine and friends actually legal considering the Oracle v Google thing on Java? I've always loved it but really do wonder. That was a blasphemous verdict.

Google won that in the end. It went all the way to the Supreme Court.

Post by mort96 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 10:20 AM UTC

scns wrote: post #39

mort96 wrote: post #29

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It's sad that D3DMetal isn't open source. Worth noting that this stuff is exactly why people should strongly consider using a copyleft license. It's pretty annoying that nobody can build on top of Apple's work here or incorporate any improvements into DXVK, but that's the license the DXVK project chose.

Well, i'm pro copyleft but in this case i have to disagree. This way Apple could develop D3DMetal much faster, and attrbution is given. If DXVK where GPL3 it might have happened years later if ever.