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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by goolz » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:30 AM UTC

mnky9800n wrote: post #790

gitfan86 wrote: post #513

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Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

UFO sightings are much less interesting then abductions. Sightings require almost no effort and ultimately can be explained away. But people who claim to be abducted basically are giving up the assumption they will ever be taken seriously again. So why tell others? Are there some subset of abductees who were actually taken? We certainly do the same to other animals so there's no reason why it wouldn't be done to us.

I mean, there sure are a lot of mentally unstable people who actively choose to detach from reality. To some, living in a fantasy land is as simple as ignoring the truth around you.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:32 AM UTC

andrewflnr wrote: post #185

boringuser2 wrote: post #120

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I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

> Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? Yes. That is, they almost certainly use objects made out of actual atoms to travel it or whatever the hell. There are almost no hints, with the possible exception of dark matter, in even the most speculative of well -grounded physics, of anything else they could be using. So that's the…

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by edu » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:36 AM UTC

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #263

hermitcrab wrote: post #164

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky b) then crash

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by LandR » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:36 AM UTC

boringuser2 wrote: post #120

bsaul wrote: post #112

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What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

This is why I dont understand why people expect UFOs to have lights on them. Or when they see lights they go to UFO.

Why ? Why would external lights be helpful when travelling interstellar distances. Then if you have the technology to travel these vast distances so quickly, why would you need lights when darting about at "slow" terrestrial speeds, the technology you must have to navigate and avoid things must be so beyond just lights... You almost certainly aren't navigating in anything that remotely resembles looking out your craft ?

It just makes no sense to me. IT's why I assume if anyone mentions a UFO when talking about lights in the sky I'm totally convinced it's terrestrial in nature.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bloak » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:37 AM UTC

quickthrowman wrote: post #209

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

> I believe intelligent life may exist elsewhere in the universe, but that we’ve never been visited and will never be visited due to the distances involved.

I suspect that at least one and perhaps many alien intelligences have been here on Earth for a very long time and are observing us, but they're very good at staying hidden so probably we have never observed them and never will.

In the unlikely event that they ever did accidentally reveal themselves, probably they would cover it up to the extent possible while continuing to remain hidden.

Since these aliens will never interact with us in any significant manner, for practical purposes it doesn't matter whether they exist or not, and therefore I don't care very much whether they exist or not. Nevertheless, if, hypothetically, I had to make a bet with equal odds, I'd bet they do exist.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by scotty79 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:41 AM UTC

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Even if he said that he saw it with his own eyes it's infinitely more probable that's a lie/delusion/a dream he misremembered as reality.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mjburgess » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:43 AM UTC

blazespin wrote: post #753

petesergeant wrote: post #688

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> There is a very very simple explanation I’m not sure an explanation that presupposes FTL travel is very very simple

It doesn't presuppose anything other than that some people told him aliens. I mean.. just accept it at face value. Stop reading into it.

Stop thinking and believe? Err... No?

Everything we know about the biology, chemistry, physics and astrophysics makes alien contact with the earth an extreme improbablity. Everything we know about government and intelligence agencies makes a global, mutli-national, multi-government, mass conspiracy to hide aliens an extreme improbability.

Against these mountainous-weights of incredibility one needs more than a retired 36 with a shiny badge who has "heard but not seen" some things.

The improbability of his claims is so vast that even "CIA psyop" becomes plausible against them -- not, least, since it's extremely likely the USA exploited the UFO mass hysteria to disguise its air force development programmes.

Nevertheless, the most probable explanation is that government employees in these agencies are often paranoid believers in the folk mythologies of these agencies --- and are able to maintain these superstitons because they never get senior enough to see they are false.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by GTP » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:44 AM UTC

mnky9800n wrote: post #790

gitfan86 wrote: post #513

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

UFO sightings are much less interesting then abductions. Sightings require almost no effort and ultimately can be explained away. But people who claim to be abducted basically are giving up the assumption they will ever be taken seriously again. So why tell others? Are there some subset of abductees who were actually taken? We certainly do the same to other animals so there's no reason why it wouldn't be done to us.

> So why tell others?

Some people just like having the attention of other people, so it could still be an invented story just to have a great story to tell to the few that believe it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by denton-scratch » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:44 AM UTC

13of40 wrote: post #746

bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Just to stay grounded in reality, yes there is intelligent non-human life in space. No, based on what we know about physics, we will never interact with them. Occam's Razor says the GP is correct and this is intentional deception - either that or the guy with the big shirt who says we have alien spacecraft in warehouses is a nut.

> Occam's Razor says the GP is correct and this is intentional deception

That's not how I read it. It seems to me that there are rather a lot of sane, intelligent people in the USG and especially the US military who believe in aliens with flying saucers, and alien abductions. From my perspective, it looks more like a "mass psychosis" than a conspiracy.

I suspect the abduction stories are related to evangelical beliefs in The Rapture.

QAnon tales of satanic pizza-parlour basements in a building with no basement seem to have many believers who are bright, and have no history of mental illness.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 9:47 AM UTC

Loquebantur wrote: post #340

quickthrowman wrote: post #250

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You make a very good point, I’m going to stick with the grifter/liar/mentally ill thesis instead.

His actions would have seriously bad consequences for him if he was lying. Several reputable people have gone on record testifying for his (mental) integrity. Even some scientists actually. The whole premise of that guy being easily discredited is absurd. Its lazy thinking plain and simple. Go read the actual article and corroborating information on 'The Debrief'.

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