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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mrfinn »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

One of the firsts things you learn in the "I want to believe" side is to never trust the government.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by petesergeant »

keskival wrote: post #727
petesergeant wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a very very simple explanation I’m not sure an explanation that presupposes FTL travel is very very simple

Why would faster than light travel be presupposed in any way?

Where do we think the aliens came from, specifically, without it?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by otikik »

gitfan86 wrote: post #513
dieselgate wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

There’s also perverse monetary incentives.

“We need to increase tourism on the Town. Cowille business is booming since they had that Virgin Mary apparition. Anne-Marie, could that shape that you saw while tending the sheep be the Spirit of Saint Peter?”

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nprateem »

poulpy123 wrote: post #713
nprateem wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're in old art: https://listverse.com/2016/04/24/10-historic-divine-painting...

The very first example is a religious painting that has nothing to do with aliens

Most of them are religious paintings. It's still surprising to see a UFO in The Baptism of Christ, though I'm sure some people would explain it away as something else somehow.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by colordrops »

glenstein wrote: post #399
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

Do you really put aliens and psyops in the same league of fantastical speculation? One is advanced beings from light years away or other dimensions, and the other is military information campaigns for which there is plenty of precedent.

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Post by 13of40 »

bragr wrote: post #208
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Just to stay grounded in reality, yes there is intelligent non-human life in space. No, based on what we know about physics, we will never interact with them. Occam's Razor says the GP is correct and this is intentional deception - either that or the guy with the big shirt who says we have alien spacecraft in warehouses is a nut.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thom »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #482
kelnos wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP is referring to the idea that there are a lot of (unlikely) conditions that would all have to turn out to be correct in order for there to be aliens. Not that there is evidence of no aliens, but that you can do thought experiments to guess at the probability that there are, and it doesn't look good. Things like: * There have to be enough star systems and planets that could support life. Research here is ex…

You know this never occurred to be before, but seams obvious in hindsight. It popped into my head while reading your comments. If you can flash a light bright enough to be seen by other civilization you can communicate with them at light speed. Then once you convince your communication partners to build machines and run programs you send them, your AI's can "travel" at light speed. Once the AI has arrived it can star…

I don’t know what estimates exist for the bit rate of SETI signals, this paper seems to imply 0.01 bits per second:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00945...

If we assume GPT4 is a trillion parameters, each 16 bits, then this would require 5000 years to transmit (quite aside from any error correction or the description of how the parameters should be arranged).

I would hope that our AI would be able to bootstrap to FTL in that time.

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Post by foreigner »

merpnderp wrote: post #148
beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

If you look at all the crazy coincidences that were required for life to develop on Earth, it starts to make sense that we're alone. Single star in the system, need a big Jupiter to block space rocks, our target is a rocky planet close to star, but needs to be hit by an abnormally large moon right as the lithosphere is cooling, ripping out 1/3rd of it so that the planet can have giant continents barely covered with w…

The universe is big.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by colordrops »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> I'd love to think that alien contact is possible, but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly.

With all the absurdly crazy complexity that has arisen in our universe, and the tiny primate brain you were born with, and the mere 10k years of civilization in our multi-billion year old universe which may be one of a near infinitude stretching back for eternity, you've figured out with high likelihood what is and is not possible. Right.

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