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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by dekhn »

marstall wrote: post #467
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

with coldsleep technology, or a species evolved or self-engineered for ultralongterm hibernation, speed might not matter.

Having just finished Iain Banks excellent The Algebraist, this is immediately what came to mind: we have no idea what timescales aliens would operate on.

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Post by nonethewiser »

beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

Ill bite.

> The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

Why should it be less empty and what are the implications that its emptier than it should be?

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Post by twobitshifter »

Humans crash probes into planets and asteroids.

At the scale of the galaxy, alien probes could have launched long before humans were even a thing.

Or if they had expected intelligent life, they wouldn’t know how intelligent the life would be. They could suspect equal intelligence to theirs.

In the chance that this equally intelligent life could capture this probe, self destruct may be the optimal strategy.

People are making the mistake of assuming an all knowing intelligent life-form. There are at least some feasible scenarios where alien craft could crash into earth.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

zoogeny wrote: post #332
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

Why would two people sworn to protect national secrets disclose them to an unbriefed individual? It isn't a believable scenario.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by singleshot_ »

eek2121 wrote: post #387
tialaramex wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

“but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not?”

Those people are called experts.

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

I agree. I mean lets assume it is true: how could the US government have failed a real alien ship? Did the poor aliens fail at filling out some paperwork? I mean this ship had to spend so much energy just to get to us, what else could have failed them?

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

Octokiddie wrote: post #443

Zero specific claims. Zero evidence examined by the person making the allegations. All hearsay. To top it off, the focus of the story, David Charles Grusch, is a "a former intelligence official." Pardom me for disregarding this as the diversion it appears to be. The US military has quite a track record on this kind of thing. It's not hard to think of reasons why such diversions might be deployed right now, either. Ma…

> To top it off, the focus of the story, David Charles Grusch, is a "a former intelligence official."

"From 2019-2021, he was the representative of the reconnaissance office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the co-lead for UAP analysis at the NGA and its representative to the task force."

> Zero specific claims.

The specific claim is that he has provided to congress documentation on successful non-human craft retrieval programs hidden from congress, under oath. He makes no claims about the projects other than that he was not a part of them and that he was provided said documentation on them.

The U.S. Inspector General called the claims "credible and urgent" and congress is planning a session on them.

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Post by hindsightbias »

UFOlogy would be interesting if it ever made any effort to make engineering, science or biological sense. But these guys always have stories that dovetail with current fashions.

Back in the day I believed in some of this stuff because there were stories from the 60's about alien remains that looked like insects. Because of course they'd have to sustain high g's crossing light years. They'd also be very lightweight, to keep the mass down. Completely sensical.

Then somebody made up warp drives and every account switched to gray humanoids. Every conspiracy is so low effort and lazy now. But millions will believe it.

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Post by King-Aaron »

drtgh wrote: post #500
King-Aaron wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

That can have many reads. For example from the article: "The report followed a leak of military footage that showed apparently inexplicable happenings in the sky, while navy pilots testified that they had frequently had encounters with strange craft off the US coast." I read it as, "We detected several times a military aircraft, that a country expected to be undetectable, flying over our territory, we send you the pr…

I think the concerning thing is that could well be the case - and there is still a very large number of people in here just saying "nope this guy is crazy".

The group of people who just off-hand deny this is happening is kind of staggering.

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