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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by pmarreck »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Or, they know that you're exactly the person who might have a psychological fracture when actual evidence actually emerges from the cloistered tower.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by heavyset_go »

monetus wrote: post #351
heavyset_go wrote: post #235

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> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding th…

I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

I have a good friend who went down that rabbithole instead of seeking help and it's consumed him. The obsession is so bad that he lost multiple jobs and became homeless so he can focus on literally talking to aliens using the methods Greer sells. He gives what little money he has to grifers like Greer and the cottage industry that popped up to take money from those with the beliefs he promotes.

I'm familiar with the hopelessness, there's really not much you can do but try to help nudge them into healthier directions without being overt enough for them to shut you out for denying their beliefs.

I've had some success with things like Mirage Men and Mick West's work in helping them understand that there's a lot of manipulation in that space and that not everything can be assumed to be aliens, and it's helped a little, but I've found that they just integrate that information into their belief system. Those people are lying about aliens/UFOs, and that UAP was just a weather balloon, but everything else is real. They've been more discerning about who they give their money to, though, which is a good thing.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by op00to »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #353
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

If this is a psyop that’s still huge news. These are fantastic claims from a highly ranked and decorated member of the IC, released with official backing/DoD preAuth Someone has some explaining to do

What official backing?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by pmarreck »

King-Aaron wrote: post #396
Loquebantur wrote: post #359

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

It's trivially easy to keep covering something up, even with information leaks, if the vast majority of the public disbelieves the entire premise from the get-go.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lolinder »

curiousllama wrote: post #448

My favorite theory is that the government periodically leaks this stuff so that junior military members are less scared to report weird stuff they see (stuff that could be new enemy tech) “Sergeant, I’m telling you, I saw floating meta orbs - it’s aliens! The pentagon said they exist!”

As I recall this was explicitly spelled out as the reason when the Pentagon first started being more open about their UAP programs. I can't find the source now because "UAP" is ungoogleable now under all the sensationalized sources.

EDIT—found it with "site:*.mil":

> The Department of Defense and the military departments take any incursions by unauthorized aircraft into our training ranges or designated airspace very seriously and examine each report. This includes examinations of incursions that are initially reported as UAP when the observer cannot immediately identify what he or she is observing.

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/display-pre...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

Sharlin wrote: post #274
adventured wrote: post #170

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It's exceptionally likely Trump was kept away from as much intel as they could reasonably keep him from. We know that from things that leaked out after the fact, eg by how General Milley behaved (gave orders to disobey nuclear launch commands coming from Trump).

From what I’ve heard, it’s not like he was even interested in the intel he was supposed to be interested in.

Friedman had an ex CIA guy on his podcast and he explained how the daily intelligence report worked. Basically the president told them which things he was most interested in. That was in the front and the rest was more CIA judgement.

The CIA is (supposed to) serve at the pleasure of the president.

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Post by klik99 »

bragr wrote: post #208
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

The idea that this Grusch guy just doesn't get jokes and brought some offhand comment all the way to whistleblower status is pretty funny. Honestly this guy seems pretty competent and I'd sooner believe a psyop or Meta paying someone off to throw off press coverage during the Apple event than that. A couple of offhand remarks wouldn't drive someone this far.

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Post by juve1996 »

whinenot wrote: post #222
clashmoore wrote: post #63

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Are the Navy pilots actual eye witnesses to seeing these crafts or are they eye witnesses to whatever is electronically displayed to their HUDS/Helmets/lenses? It seems every video I've come across, it was all electronic so it has me thinking just a software error.

How about cell phone video?[0] [0] https://www.dvidshub.net/video/843620/navy-2021-flyby-video

Can you point out what's happening in the video? I don't see anything

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by pmarreck »

stouset wrote: post #429
King-Aaron wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

Perhaps people are tired of the same story playing out every few years. Someone got told by somebody else there’s a massive coverup and they definitely have the documents but they’re withholding them for reasons and no we can’t see them but we should absolutely take this story at face value because they have or had a career in the military so are a Very Reliable Person we should take very seriously. We’re on like sea…

> We’re on like season eight or nine of this show and it’s the same plot every time around.

Until it's not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by hayst4ck » 

  step 1: Throw shit against the wall
  step 2: See what sticks
  step 3: Amplify that messaging
  step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention
  step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division
Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien related media in the last 2-5 years than "otherworldly" craft?
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