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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mxkopy »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Why of course. The coolest monkeys are the ones with the biggest bombs and fastest jets, right. Not the ones who have a knowledge of love so intimate they wrote an entire book just about sex positions. Of course, the aliens that can expend Jupiter's worth of energy to travel at lightspeed are impressed by the monkeys with the fastest planes, not the ones who claim they found a peace so profound it encompasses the universe.

I think the super advanced aliens aren't showing themselves because we're letting a bunch of auto-fellating monkeys run the planet

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Post by nonethewiser »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #435
tedivm wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.

Yes, but the universe is so mind mindbogglingly vast. So many galaxies and so many stars! It just doesn't seem right that what happened here didn't happen somewhere else.

With vastness comes separation. The more vast it is the more likely there is life elsewhere, and the less likely its in travel rangeor would be able to identify life on earth.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by hindsightbias »

escapedmoose wrote: post #314
adventured wrote: post #150

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The most advanced tech and research, as an overall, would be trivial for an advanced alien to decide. And the US has been leading in those categories for 80 years at least. The notion that it's impossible to figure out whether an advanced alien would think Afghanistan or the US have more advanced tech/research/science, is absurd. And if you can make that distinction, you can keep going.

You picked the US vs Afghanistan because it’s an absurd comparison. Now do US vs Japan

Perhaps they're less interested in primitive tech and more in those who defeated the guys with all that tech.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by op00to »

King-Aaron wrote: post #396
Loquebantur wrote: post #359

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

Why would I care if the government was lying about little green men? Who cares? They’ve been lying since the beginning.

If there was evidence, there’d be evidence.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by zeedude »

dboreham wrote: post #458
bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Believing BS turns out to be an evolutionary adaptation. The truth is generally too overwhelming to process.

The “truth”

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

no_wizard wrote: post #434

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…

It would unify earth in previously impossible ways.

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Post by marstall »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #263
hermitcrab wrote: post #164

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

with coldsleep technology, or a species evolved or self-engineered for ultralongterm hibernation, speed might not matter.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by cypherpunks01 »

shrimpx wrote: post #81
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

After taking the pilots' accounts on face value, this analysis gave me new insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs The pilots claim they saw a flying saucer that was rotating in weird ways, and provide a grainy video that's kind of convincing. The analysis proves it was lens flare. There are additional debunked UAP videos released by the military, including one that is lens bokeh around starlight, which…

Thanks for linking this analysis, it makes a lot of sense.

It's very funny how this particular video was released entitled "gimbal", as they mention. It seems to indicate that the same analysis was already done internally, but the full report wasn't shared so as to not reveal too much military tech, so all we got was the single-word video title.

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Post by glenstein »

osigurdson wrote: post #451
glenstein wrote: post #427

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>but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? This is the tragic sentence which is letting the parade of carnival animals in through the back door. In some sense it's true that intellectual humility is necessary as we allow ourselves to be challenged by ideas we thought not possible. But it's true the way hallmark card quotes are true, as vague generalities. It does no work as a specific response to…

If the problem is not outside the bounds of known physics, then it should be considered plausible. Otherwise, it is certainly not impossible, but pointless to speculate. If you enjoy speculating about such things, fill your boots, but realize that you are only doing it for your own amusement.

I think you mean possible rather than plausible? But otherwise I would say you're right, it's an exercise for personal amusement. But I think as you can see from elsewhere even in this thread, people slip into this mode of half-joking where they might as well be describing their ideas for Deus Ex fan missions, and the dividing line between serious engagement with evidence and make believe is breaking down.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by alxmng »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #435
tedivm wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowing that life may be common is a lot different than knowing that intelligence is.

Yes, but the universe is so mind mindbogglingly vast. So many galaxies and so many stars! It just doesn't seem right that what happened here didn't happen somewhere else.

I’m sure you’re aware, but this is known as the Fermi Paradox (for people who want to do more reading).
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