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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

anon291 wrote: post #403
glenstein wrote: post #399

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>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

No it's really not fantastical. We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people. I mean if you told someone the CIA did mind control experiments in the 60s they'd think your nuts. But we know today with certainty they did, often with tragic consequence. So, the bayesian priors, given that in…

> We have no physical evidence of extraterrestrials but we do have physical evidence that the CIA engages in sometimes ridiculous operations to psychologically manipulate people

That’s true. And I would even say a CIA psyop is more likely than aliens. But its still purely speculative.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by varelse »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #371
monetus wrote: post #351

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I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

My sense is that you could remove Steven Greer and it would be something else? Sorry I have a rather pessimistic take.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by probablypower »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

This is absurd, and very american. Cute that you'd imagine an alien civilization to look at the Earth the same way you do.

They may just as well look at humans as the white ants of a potential galactic bus stop.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by nonethewiser »

monetus wrote: post #351
heavyset_go wrote: post #235

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> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding th…

I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

What to do about it? Nothing. You should probably stop thinking about it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by allenrb »

I would very much like to believe, but… no doubt we’ve all heard the crackpot theories that we (speaking as a US citizen) faked the moon landings. That’s nonsense for all sorts of reasons, but one of my favorites is this:

It would literally be easier to build giant machines using 1960s technology to land people on the moon and return them safely than it would be to keep a secret like “fake moon landings”.

Now imagine the secret being “alien intelligence/time travelers/angelic beings are visiting earth on the regular”. No matter how good some of us are at keeping secrets, this one would have gotten out long ago.

That said, I’d still love to be demonstrated wrong.

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Post by glenstein »

eek2121 wrote: post #387
tialaramex wrote: post #348

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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

>but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not?

This is the tragic sentence which is letting the parade of carnival animals in through the back door. In some sense it's true that intellectual humility is necessary as we allow ourselves to be challenged by ideas we thought not possible. But it's true the way hallmark card quotes are true, as vague generalities.

It does no work as a specific response to a specific set of facts, which should be determined by all kinds of specific contextual examinations. In that setting, it's an open-ended, unrestricted invitation to completely suspend all disbelief without any restraint or distinctions.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

haswell wrote: post #159
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

FTA: > “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

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Post by stouset »

King-Aaron wrote: post #396
Loquebantur wrote: post #359

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

Perhaps people are tired of the same story playing out every few years. Someone got told by somebody else there’s a massive coverup and they definitely have the documents but they’re withholding them for reasons and no we can’t see them but we should absolutely take this story at face value because they have or had a career in the military so are a Very Reliable Person we should take very seriously.

We’re on like season eight or nine of this show and it’s the same plot every time around.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by DoreenMichele »

probablypower wrote: post #423
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

This is absurd, and very american. Cute that you'd imagine an alien civilization to look at the Earth the same way you do. They may just as well look at humans as the white ants of a potential galactic bus stop.

This is absurd

Some folks seem to think it's intentionally absurd. I thought about playing along and chatting up how New York is clearly the capital of the world if you don't realize us savages lack a world government, but all my comedian friends have told me to keep my day job.

Or would if I had any comedian friends. Or, you know, a day job even.

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