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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by JKCalhoun »

monetus wrote: post #351
heavyset_go wrote: post #235

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> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding th…

I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

My sense is that you could remove Steven Greer and it would be something else? Sorry I have a rather pessimistic take.

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Post by newZWhoDis »

throwaway892238 wrote: post #356
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

There are probably 5,000 comprehensive possibilities. You could sit around all day making up "what ifs". What if it's a psyop? What if it's some meteorite that crashed into a pile of pine resin and made a composite? What if it's a fake craft two dudes in a covert research lab made to troll an intelligence service with some experimental materials? What if the dude is actually lying? Who cares? It's not going to amount…

Keyhole, AEGIS, and classified hydrophone systems have trans medium craft entering theater at LEO and dropping below sea level.

It’s not the fucking Russians, if they could do that we’d be glass

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Post by accoil »

Dalewyn wrote: post #196
arcticbull wrote: post #183

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> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…

The US is winning (or has won and keeps on winning) the Conquer Victory, the Diplomacy Victory, and the Culture Victory. I think that's the main means of winning Civilization? Been years since I played one.

Magnasanti scores very well in SimCity. I wouldn't rank it very high in cities to live...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by renewiltord »

The truth of the matter is that some dude in the military once told a journalist something like "it's hard to control an LLM: if you tell it to kill people, and then an operator tries to override that, it might kill the operator or go for the comms tower" and the journalist reported it as "Air Force drone kills operator if told to stop; destroys comms tower".

Given that, we know there's a lot of people who will claim extraordinary things. So, chances are that some sucker (of which the military will have a whole bunch on account of being so large) completely misinterpreted something completely inane and decided that aliens are here.

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Post by whoknows234 »

gtop3 wrote: post #172
giantg2 wrote: post #154

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It likely would be the biggest threat given the weapons tech though. You generally want to study the things that pose the biggest threat for self preservation.

This is highly speculative on both of our parts. I do think it's presumptuous to assume we'd be a threat to an entity that traveled >4ly. It sounds a lot like picking which classical civilization to study based on how strong their bows are when you are traveling in a stealth bomber.

Seems a bit odd that a being that could build a craft that flies further than 4 light years would end up crashing.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

If their ship that came here and crashed ... I guess I'm not too worried about them.

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Post by jasonvorhe »

transducers wrote: post #216
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I share the opinion that it is psyop and it is a very long running project. At one level it is a nice psyop platform - like Star Trek for the psychological warfare professionals. Over the years they have influenced American thought about the government to a great degree. X-Files. For example, most Americans, and this “whistleblower” here, now accept that elements in the US government are operating entirely outside of…

This is my thinking as well. Though the entire Admiral Byrd, Antarctica, supposed Nazi tech and Operation Paperclip, Werner von Braun founding NASA lends some credibility to the idea that there might be a weirder angle the tech aspect at least. Combine "alien tech" with a tumbling empire and this would get ugly.

Not a believer myself, but it was an interesting deep dive.

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Post by coffeefirst »

zoogeny wrote: post #332
bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

Or his colleagues are messing with him.

But believing the US has a classified alien spaceship that was recovered in-tact is way more fun so let's go with that.

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #329
paulddraper wrote: post #255

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> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.

I think GP is referring to the idea that there are a lot of (unlikely) conditions that would all have to turn out to be correct in order for there to be aliens. Not that there is evidence of no aliens, but that you can do thought experiments to guess at the probability that there are, and it doesn't look good. Things like: * There have to be enough star systems and planets that could support life. Research here is ex…

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