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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by geraldwhen »

huijzer wrote: post #46

What about the US military pretending to see UFO’s instead of admitting they have their own stealth airplanes and drones? This suggestion was made at the recent Required podcast about Lockheed Martin.

It’s exactly this. It’s not just aircraft, either, but aircraft designed to disrupt other aircraft’s instrumentation.

There is a white hat team somewhere in the DoD whose only job is to develop technology and software to make other aviation software instrumentation fail or perform incorrectly. It would be absurd if this were NOT the case.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by baron816 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Could be the case that it was found in the Pacific, or by an allied country and handed over/“liberated”.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bartislartfast »

boringuser2 wrote: post #120
bsaul wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

> That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction

So my theory is in about 150 years, DJI will release a drone with a time-travel capability, and the UFOs we see now are people in 2170 trolling us.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

throwanem wrote: post #118
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!

He could have been driven to crackpottery also.

Consider this hypothetical: A person in intelligence knows something you would rather didn't get out, but you suspect there's a chance they will leak it. Maybe they have a personality that leads you to believe they can't in good conscience keep that secret, or maybe you're just callous and paranoid, doesn't really make a difference.

One thing you could do is convince them of something completely ridiculous that no one will take seriously. Even easier if there is a large existing community of nutters that already believe that (possibly you manufactured that too, just for such an occasion). Put on some little shows, make sure they see some documents they "weren't supposed to", and when they've bought into it enough have someone all but confirm it to them in person.

Then, if they're in a leaking mood, they'll discredit themselves for you.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by strangattractor »

It's the perfect grift. If the DoD denies having evidence then they are hiding something. If they show you the evidence they possess then they are hiding stuff anyway. The grifter gets payback/attention in either case because it is all indisputable and unprovable. Legally you are untouchable because the proof for or against is unobtainable. The X-Files poster says it all "I want to believe."

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by kalkaran »

petilon wrote: post #77
wizofaus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

Time traveling humans is more likely for the following reason: It requires only one thing: worm hole or some other yet-to-be-invented mechanism for traveling to the past. For this to be alien intelligence, two things are required: First alien intelligence has to exist, and second, they too need a mechanism for speedy travel, to travel to another galaxy such that they can reach the destination within an individual ali…

And they have to want to

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by robofanatic »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

lol ... you are assuming aliens think like humans. Its almost impossible to tell what aliens consider "baddest mfers" or "insane tech and research".

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ethanbond »

boringuser2 wrote: post #120
bsaul wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

The fundamental issue is that people really have no intuition as to how unfathomably gigantic space is.

Traveling Mars to Earth would require some decent tech. Traveling from the next star over requires some mind-bending tech. An entity traveling from the next galaxy over would necessarily be in possession of just some truly incomprehensible technology and would probably exist on spatial and temporal scales that just cannot be loaded into our ape brains via our sensory organs.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by tazjin »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Satirical posts on HN have a whole different flavour to them!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by avgcorrection »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #115
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

Ufology is an FBI astroturf which is supposed to be a more exciting alternative to listening to a 90 minute lecture on the Sandinistas by Chomsky.
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