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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Avshalom »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

N+1. They're 25 and they've just popped some amphetamine (now modafinil) to get them through the hangover from getting shit faced on shipboard moonshine last night.

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Post by [deleted] »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #85
krapp wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

bsaul wrote: post #112
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

Given the enormity of the universe and the seeming[0] impossibility of FTL travel, plus the complete absence of astronomical observation of extraterrestrial civilization, and the incredibly tiny (on astronomical scales) window of time in which we have data, any other explanation for pretty much any phenomena we care to observe will be more likely than "aliens did it".

[0] extremely well supported

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Post by boringuser2 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #115
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

I would also reject personal experiences with an "alien" as manufactured.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

jjoonathan wrote: post #102
mostlysimilar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

"does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" "No, sir." "It does not?" "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly." So, do people lie to Congress all the time? Not wittingly, but in the sense that this phrase means "absolutely yes, all the damn time."

Does anybody ever go to jail for lying to congress?

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Post by 100pctremote »

generalizations wrote: post #89
tiffanyh wrote: post #56

If true, I'm curious to know how the government even came into possession of such non-human aircraft. E.g. - did they shoot it down? (this seems to contradict the claims that the aircraft can perform unrealistic maneuvers like massive acceleration / extreme changes in vector) - did some random farmer stumble upon the craft? (then why didn't the farmer post photos of it online and/or speaking out about it) - where was…

Or it crashed of its own accord, but instead of a farmer finding it, they'd been tracking it carefully and got there first.

Like an enemy weather balloon

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Post by Madhouse61 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Off topic but somewhat related... As of late, I've really enjoyed watching FPV racing drone footage on YouTube. And it's made wonder - if commercial drones currently on the market are capable of this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/mMmBC2nwcjY?feature=share3

What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet?

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Post by jackmott »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

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Post by moomoo11 »

orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them.

Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new stuff.

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Post by somekyle2 »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

If they brought in some trustworthy skeptical folks with some tools and enough background to know what compelling nothing looks like, and they came out saying, "Oh man. oh wow. I'm trying to come up with another explanation, but it really seems like they have it." I'd start taking it seriously. "Guy who seems trustworthy said it's real and he saw the proof" is so very normal, for aliens, ghosts, various religious phenomena. "Someone was convinced" isn't compelling to me. "The specific trustworthy non-believers who were given access to the evidence were convinced" would shake me. That moves it from "might be a delusion or hoax" to "if it's a hoax/fraud, it's a very good one".

Although, "specific physical / recorded evidence made publicly available for study" would be even better if the evidence is strong. Once you're at "if it's a hoax/fraud, the perpetrator has advanced science we don't" it's a world-changing thing; maybe it's not an alien, but whatever it is it's amazing.

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