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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#101

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

Predator?

Hunting tourism is a thing.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#102
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

    "does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"
    "No, sir."
    "It does not?"
    "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly."
So, do people lie to Congress all the time? Not wittingly, but in the sense that this phrase means "absolutely yes, all the damn time."

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#103
post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

The eye and your brain are easily fooled. So are instruments.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

"does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" "No, sir." "It does not?" "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly." So, do people lie to Congress all the time? Not wittingly, but in the sense that this phrase means "absolutely yes, all the damn time."

Citations:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/07/02/198118060...

https://youtu.be/QwiUVUJmGjs

https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/ve...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#106
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.

> People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. Examples?

https://www.propublica.org/article/five-trump-cabinet-member...

There's many, many more.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#107
post #72

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

There is the fact that Grusch gave sworn testimony to congress on it, he's going to prison for perjury if he's lying. Doesn't prove it, but it's more than just saying it in an interview.

He also could just be mentally ill and doesn't believe he's lying. It doesn't mean what he's saying is true.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#109

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

I'm no body language expert, but I did notice him shaking his head when he says something to the (opposite) effect that "we categorically have non human craft".

Games within games. Insiders playing credible dupes.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#110

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

Alliums are delicious and their flowers are quite nice as well.
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