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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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gumballindie wrote: post #11
HWR_14 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe that there are any alien vessels, intact or otherwise. But I would imagine that a superpower with global reach and a stealth program could (and would) gather craft before the countries where they were located knew they were there.

> I don't believe that there are any alien vessels, intact or otherwise. Me neither, but as the saying goes: “i want to believe”. Guaranteed there’s nothing more than a guy that’s either crazy or marketing a book. > But I would imagine that a superpower with global reach and a stealth program could (and would) gather craft before the countries where they were located knew they were there. By traveling to china or rus…

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by bsaul »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

huijzer wrote: post #46

What about the US military pretending to see UFO’s instead of admitting they have their own stealth airplanes and drones? This suggestion was made at the recent Required podcast about Lockheed Martin.

The sensor apparatus needed to “find” these UFOs is the same as the one needed for missile and drone defense.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by birdyrooster »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

Considering the grift between DoD and Skinwalker Ranch, I am sure we can expect similar fraud throughout. New York Post did a 4 part expose that uncovers this. I highly suggest it. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwfaAz9kxcc

Basically Federal agents became "convinced" that paranormal stuff is happening at Skinwalker ranch, but that is/was because of significant conflict of interest where they earn income from entertainment enterprises (like History Channel) by leaking information to them -- even information which is completely falsified.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by TechBro8615 »

boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so.

The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them. As much as I want to believe, I simply can't, unless I personally have some experience with an alien.

And remember... no matter what happens, no matter what the government or the "aliens" tell you... do not get on the ships!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by FredPret »

beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

I read somewhere that all of our radio signature would fade away to the point that it's indistinguishable from background noise within five lightyears.

Plus, we've been around for ages and only briefly let out a bunch of radio waves. I image we might not even generate that many anymore.

By that logic, you could easily image that the universe is teeming with intelligent life that happens to not have sent a powerful radio signal out here, or whose tech development timeline never included wide public radio signal broadcasting.

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Post by throwanem »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories

I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by RajT88 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #115
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

The paradox of ufology is that we can't trust the government because they've been covering up aliens for 70 years, but now we know aliens are real because the government says so. The only fact I know for certain is that the federal government and military industrial complex has a history of lying and waging information warfare on American citizens. If they tell me aliens are here, there's no way I will believe them.…

I think the best evidence against Aliens is if the government had any, they would have been trotted out for a rally by now by the last guy.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by boringuser2 »

bsaul wrote: post #112
boringuser2 wrote: post #98

Would anybody with even an ounce of critical thinking faculty believe this even if they explicitly came out and said "yep, we've got aliums, folks"? There's literally no level of evidence I would accept because the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question:

Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds of thousands or MILLIONS of years ahead of us technologically, whose existences would simply be fucking incomprehensible to the human eye or mind.

The conception that such entities are travelling the galaxy in dinky little craft is completely absurd.

They could probably scan our fucking souls and create replicas of our qualia with technology from the interstellar equivalent of a Walgreens.

Or, more likely, they simply have technologies that we can in no capacity conceive of or understand at all.

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