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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by abletonlive »

freejazz wrote: post #627
abletonlive wrote: post #625

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people make semantic arguments disguised as philosophy instead of making a concrete point and furthering the discussion? Seems like a cop out to me. It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say.

It's not remotely philosophical. What's the point of emphasizing what is rational, when the likely answer is within a much smaller subset (what is reasonable). You overemphasize rationality to the point you aren't reasonable. You sit here and talk about what is rational, but you aren't reasonable and therefore it's not a good argument. We aren't dealing in the abstract world of mathematics, we are dealing with human…

There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him.

Happy?

It's not reasonable to pretend like Tesla/spacex is not a smashing success story.

You're not dealing with human relationships. What are you talking about. The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by freejazz »

abletonlive wrote: post #631
freejazz wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not remotely philosophical. What's the point of emphasizing what is rational, when the likely answer is within a much smaller subset (what is reasonable). You overemphasize rationality to the point you aren't reasonable. You sit here and talk about what is rational, but you aren't reasonable and therefore it's not a good argument. We aren't dealing in the abstract world of mathematics, we are dealing with human…

There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. Happy? It's not reasonable to pretend like Tesla/spacex is not a smashing success story. You're not dealing with human relationships. What are you talking about. The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.

Well Tesla has significantly devalued as of late, is facing tremendous regulatory scrutiny, just recently suffered a massive recall, and is likely never going to deliver on its key promise of achieving practicable self-driving car, and by all estimates from anyone else in the industry, is being completely unreasonable in going about it predominantly via computer-vision.

so as an initial, I don't think your argument is reasonable at all. it goes against so of the most basic and recent facts about tesla. I can understand feeling different because you like him and he makes you feel fuzzy or something like that. but hard to say you are being reasonable - when you don't offer reasons!

> The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.

This is absolutely the boundaries of human relationships and is not better defined in the space of mathematics or physics, or even game theory, to the point you boil things down to being rational/un-rational. rational is basically the lowest boundary here, it means possible, it doesn't mean likely.

>There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him.

I guess it depends on what you think accomplished is. I certainly think he's achieved a certain kind of status in society, I'm not sure if it's an accomplishment, but the amount of money that belongs to him is certainly very large and something anyone else would like to have.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by bborud »

dotancohen wrote: post #618
bborud wrote: post #590

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Second hand Teslas represent a challenge as someone pointed out. You also can't necessarily modify or inspect the car without Tesla getting their panties in a twist (I dare you to connect to the network inside your car and try to get access to the onboard computers and then try to have the discussion with Tesla about who's car it really is). The there are the massive privacy issues and the fact that you can't do anyt…

I'm not in the US. My Tesla has an option to disable data collection. You could argue that the company might not honour that option, but that argument then opens a very broad subject across many industries.

Here's a test you can do: try to access the ethernet inside your car.

Still think it's your car?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by abletonlive »

freejazz wrote: post #632
abletonlive wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing reasonable about pretending like Elon isn't accomplished because you don't like him. Happy? It's not reasonable to pretend like Tesla/spacex is not a smashing success story. You're not dealing with human relationships. What are you talking about. The parent of my original comment is spinning a narrative about Elon's accomplishments because of his personality quirks.

Well Tesla has significantly devalued as of late, is facing tremendous regulatory scrutiny, just recently suffered a massive recall, and is likely never going to deliver on its key promise of achieving practicable self-driving car, and by all estimates from anyone else in the industry, is being completely unreasonable in going about it predominantly via computer-vision. so as an initial, I don't think your argument i…

>Well Tesla has significantly devalued as of late,

So have a lot of companies? Tesla is down 7% in the last year. Up 12% from 2 years ago. Another example of unreasonable hyperbole.

> is facing tremendous regulatory scrutiny, just recently suffered a massive recall,

A massive recall fixed by over the air updates? Be real. Yet another example of hyperbole.

> and is likely never going to deliver on its key promise of achieving practicable self-driving car,

Okay this is speculation. What can I really say about this?

> and by all estimates from anyone else in the industry, is being completely unreasonable in going about it predominantly via computer-vision.

what does this have to do with elon's success? He's not allowed to fail sometimes?

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