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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Because that is what people want. Apple tried repeatedly to sell the iphone mini. The people that said they would totally buy it actually didn't.

I can buy 5 phones or an iphone mini… and the iphone mini doesn't even support 2 sim cards.

Though with eSim technology that not as big a deal for a large segment of the population.

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Can someone present evidence that Teslas are more expensive to insured than other comparable vehicles? Along with evidence that the difference is because of safety rather than cost of repairs?

Tesla has their own insurance because people were complaining about high rates. Why else would they come up with their own insurance?

> Why else would they come up with their own insurance?

If they had evidence that their cars were less likely to be involved in accidents then it would pay them to set up an insurance company and charge just below the usual rates.

Even if they are merely as safe as other cars then Tesla could provide insurance at lower prices because they need only break even and they have better statistics.

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The flashy tech bells and whistles are there to compensate for the inherent problems with electric cars. They lag in range compared to gas cars, and get absolutely trounced when it comes to putting energy back in the car. Concrete example: this week I had to drive some people between San Jose and Hollywood. Google maps says that's 5:40 hours over 340 miles. I looked at renting a model 3 for the trip but it simply cou…

I only drive more than 150 mi in a day about two times a year. The time saved up over the year of not having to go to a gas station every other week and just plugging in at home will dwarf the extra charging time on the very rare road trips (where I'd have to stop and let the kids have some fresh air anyway)

OK, let's game this out.

Say I have to go round trip to LA every 6 months. Adding up the 2 charging stops that's an hour:20 or so of downtime charging.

With a gas car, 5 minutes at a gas station every 2 weeks works out to only one hour every 6 months.

So your assertion, confidently presented, does not carry water.

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A lot of cars with automated emergency braking have problems with phantom braking. This is an elephant in a room that hasn't been opened yet, but eventually will be.

Like others have said, this would be less of a problem if Tesla relied on LIDAR like others. Tesla uniquely has this problem that's unsolveable because it's relying on cameras only.

This lidar cult is getting ridiculous lmao how did you people come to identify with a sensor so much

Next to no cars use lidar for driver assistance. The vast majority uses MobilEye.

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Your bias against elon is showing and it's not a good look. You're not being very rational.

Why do people emphasis rationality when reasonability is much more important?

Why do people make semantic arguments disguised as philosophy instead of making a concrete point and furthering the discussion? Seems like a cop out to me. It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say.

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Indeed. The difference isn't the type of sensor. This oft repeated argument that Tesla's problems are down to a lack of LIDAR doesn't add up.

Hard disagree. Unless they manage to get a computer as good as a brain, they're going to need all the sensor help they can get.

Is there evidence that any amount of "sensor help" can somehow overcome the lack of a limited "brain"?

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Why do people emphasis rationality when reasonability is much more important?

Why do people make semantic arguments disguised as philosophy instead of making a concrete point and furthering the discussion? Seems like a cop out to me. It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say.

It's not remotely philosophical. What's the point of emphasizing what is rational, when the likely answer is within a much smaller subset (what is reasonable). You overemphasize rationality to the point you aren't reasonable. You sit here and talk about what is rational, but you aren't reasonable and therefore it's not a good argument. We aren't dealing in the abstract world of mathematics, we are dealing with human relationships.

"It's tempting to respond to everything online and hit enter but sometimes you don't have to if you don't have anything meaningful to say."

What a projection

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manufacturers of cars knows that X amount of kids they dont know is gonna be victims of car crashes.... yes, I have an agenda, its called freedom and anti-violence. You dictating I cannot have a gun is violence against me. Same as if I tried to dictate you cannot have a car

It’s not violence to forbid someone from owning a gun. We can’t own many things, including other human beings. And many other countries forbid people from owning firearms, and life goes on, peacefully.

people are shot with guns in all those countries that forbids gun ownership, people are also stabbed, clubbed, many other things.

but yes, it is violence. owning another human being would be too, and you for sure are also aware that it is not even comparable to own a piece of metal/plastic/wood and a human being.

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It’s not violence to forbid someone from owning a gun. We can’t own many things, including other human beings. And many other countries forbid people from owning firearms, and life goes on, peacefully.

people are shot with guns in all those countries that forbids gun ownership, people are also stabbed, clubbed, many other things. but yes, it is violence. owning another human being would be too, and you for sure are also aware that it is not even comparable to own a piece of metal/plastic/wood and a human being.

It's true that there's no such thing as a society that is entirely free of gun violence - or any sort of homicide, for that matter. But that's not the goal, and it never has been. The goal is to reduce such incidents down to a level that is comparable to that of other countries - a mere fraction of what exists today in the U.S.

Gun control isn't perfect, but it does a pretty good job in most of the world. You can't let perfection be the enemy of improvement.

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> If a car that costs $25,000 to manufacture all of a sudden can be driven 40-50 hours a week automatically, how much is that car now worth? Cars depreciate based on distance driven, not on age. A car will need to be serviced every X miles and replaced every Y miles, and these numbers are independent of whether the car is driven one hour a week or forty. In no universe does driving more hours per week increase the va…

Ultra-high mileage vehicles driven over short timeframes where rust doesn’t get a chance to set would probably get into wear-and-tear of structural welds. Something like how airframes are rated for x number of decompression cycles.

Highly unlikely. Aluminum has a finite fatigue lifetime. Steel, as long as you stay below a (fairly high) threshold, lasts forever.
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