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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

psanford wrote: post #81
imiric wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run Sure there is. You just haven't run into it yourself. Faster, cooler and more power efficient hardware is great. I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so. And the incompatibilities with ARM are not negligib…

> depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so You are describing how most OSS software has been developed. I don't see how this is any different than early linux when no hardware manufacturers had any interest in supporting it. A lot of the work that the asahi team is doing is just fixing Arm issues in the…

Point me to the Apple contributed drivers in the kernel please.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by josephcsible »

kaba0 wrote: post #62
tormeh wrote: post #49

Sorry, but what's the point? Why not just buy a Linux laptop and have everything work out of the box? Why are Linux enthusiasts putting so much effort into supporting hardware from companies that - at best - ignore Linux? This question is also valid for other manufacturers, btw, not just Apple. So much time wasted doing free labor for hardware companies that will just break your stuff with the next hardware iteration…

> Why not just buy a Linux laptop Please tell me where is it because I will buy it instantly, and I’m only half kidding. I don’t see how making linux available on possibly the currently available best laptop hardware any different to the previous decades of hacking a working wifi driver into the kernel. It was always an uphill battle, and we should be thankful for those who take up the hard work!

> Please tell me where is it because I will buy it instantly, and I’m only half kidding.

System76? Star Labs? Purism? HP Dev One?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by acomjean »

imiric wrote: post #63
kytazo wrote: post #3

Its been more than a year I'm running asahi on my macbook air and I can't stress how grateful I feel for enjoying such wonderful freedom. I don't feel like ever going back to x86 to be honest, at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run and when the neural engine drivers come online now that the GPU is starting to mature people will be able to juice out every last bit of computation this machine is capabl…

> at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run Sure there is. You just haven't run into it yourself. Faster, cooler and more power efficient hardware is great. I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so. And the incompatibilities with ARM are not negligib…

I have an AMD Linux laptop I’ve been using for work.

It’s great. The battery life is great, it’s quite fast with a lot of cores, when I need to do my genetics runs (plugged in). Build quality isn’t bad, plus affordable and lots of ports. After my initial transition away, not missing my 2015 Mac book pro.

Linux is the way to go. I don’t blame people with apple hardware for wanting it. I just don’t feel the x86 side is as bad as the everyone makes it out to be. We’ve come along way since my first Linux laptop and it’s not so great battery life.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

jb1991 wrote: post #35
JCWasmx86 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you say buying e.g. a Mac mini for 2.3k€ just to run Asahi Linux is worth it?

I’ve owned both windows and Apple computers, quite many of them, over the last 20 years. On average, the Apple machines last at least twice as long as the windows machines while still being fully usable. One could argue just based on that basic math that they are worth twice the price.

Compared to what? Junk? My w541 is 10 years old and I just ordered parts from Lenovo to perform cosmetic repairs on it.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by kaba0 »

thx-2718 wrote: post #87
kaba0 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hardware being hard to repair, access, upgrade, etc. I think at one point they were making it virtually impossible to replace components because they were serial locked You can only have so many flexibility in design with modern hardware — they are not fitting things into 5 cm “thin” chassics anymore. How exactly are such a thin device be repairable? Similarly to how old car motors could be tweaked with, you need s…

"But even this way, apple devices have by far the longest lifetimes, macs, iphones will have 2-3 owners easily - so is it really fair to call them out, or is it just baseless emotional reaction?" Why reply that criticism of Apple must be purely an emotional one? Kind of diminishes your argument here. Immediate search result for repairable phones: https://www.androidcentral.com/best-sustainable-repairable-p... https:/…

So the only option has 1/10th the hardware of an older iphone with shittier camera than that.. for me that’s not a good deal. Framework laptops are insanely expensive for again, worse hardware. Isn’t the point of linux to run on anything?

Also, every device needs battery replacements, like this is just the physics/chemistry of batteries and it has an absolutely doable price for any apple device.

What breaks easily on an iphone? They are quite sturdy phones with metal casing. They wouldn’t get sold after 5-7 years of active use if they weren’t sturdy. And glass will still be breaking when it meets with big enough force - I again don’t see your point.

> re hacker friendliness

The RAM has different architecture on the M series, so it can’t be replaced even theoretically. Also, every moving part is one more point of potential breaking, plus it takes up space. This is not a rasppi, different design goals/constraints.

You can put in a worse screen but one will be able to see that in the settings so they can’t be scammed.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by ac29 »

kaba0 wrote: post #62
tormeh wrote: post #49

Sorry, but what's the point? Why not just buy a Linux laptop and have everything work out of the box? Why are Linux enthusiasts putting so much effort into supporting hardware from companies that - at best - ignore Linux? This question is also valid for other manufacturers, btw, not just Apple. So much time wasted doing free labor for hardware companies that will just break your stuff with the next hardware iteration…

> Why not just buy a Linux laptop Please tell me where is it because I will buy it instantly, and I’m only half kidding. I don’t see how making linux available on possibly the currently available best laptop hardware any different to the previous decades of hacking a working wifi driver into the kernel. It was always an uphill battle, and we should be thankful for those who take up the hard work!

System76? Framework? Even Dell has a number of Linux laptops.

If your requirements are "must run an Apple designed ARM processor", then yes, your choices are pretty limited.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by GeekyBear »

londons_explore wrote: post #91
zamadatix wrote: post #11

From a follow up post on Mastadon https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/110497512340479... : "Also in this update: We now have a cpuidle driver, which significantly lowers idle power consumption by enabling deep CPU sleep. You should also get better battery runtime both idle and during sleep, especially on M1 Pro/Max machines. Thanks to the cpuidle driver, s2idle now works properly, which should fix timekeepin…

> e includes base support for the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra SoC Does this mean Apple gave them prerelease hardware early? Might apple start helping these guys more - like for example donating a 5 person dev team for a few months maybe?

It means that Apple isn't radically changing the internals of the SOC every year.

>Apple’s first iPhones ran on Samsung SoCs, and even as Apple famously announced that they were switching to their own designs, the underlying reality is that there was a slower transition away from Samsung over multiple chip generations. “Apple Silicon” chips, like any other SoC, contain IP cores licensed from many other companies; for example, the USB controller in the M1 is by Synopsys, and the same exact hardware is also in chips by Rockchip, TI, and NXP. Even as Apple switched their manufacturing from Samsung to TSMC, some Samsung-isms stayed in their chips… and the UART design remains to this day.

https://asahilinux.org/2021/03/progress-report-january-febru...

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by throwaway894345 »

fallat wrote: post #67
imiric wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run Sure there is. You just haven't run into it yourself. Faster, cooler and more power efficient hardware is great. I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so. And the incompatibilities with ARM are not negligib…

> I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS This. The volunteer pool is too small. And you're supporting a shitty company.

I would like to see the volunteer pool grow, but I suspect a lot of things in the Linux kernel are maintained by a small pool of volunteers--it's not like all volunteers (or paid developers) work across the whole kernel, after all.

Also, which are the virtuous hardware companies and what's stopping them from making compelling products? And since I'm already a Mac user, I've already supported this evil company, so what does it matter if I change out the operating system?

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