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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by londons_explore »

zamadatix wrote: post #11

From a follow up post on Mastadon https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/110497512340479... : "Also in this update: We now have a cpuidle driver, which significantly lowers idle power consumption by enabling deep CPU sleep. You should also get better battery runtime both idle and during sleep, especially on M1 Pro/Max machines. Thanks to the cpuidle driver, s2idle now works properly, which should fix timekeepin…

> e includes base support for the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra SoC

Does this mean Apple gave them prerelease hardware early? Might apple start helping these guys more - like for example donating a 5 person dev team for a few months maybe?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#92

Post by simonh »

fallat wrote: post #67
imiric wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run Sure there is. You just haven't run into it yourself. Faster, cooler and more power efficient hardware is great. I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so. And the incompatibilities with ARM are not negligib…

> I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS This. The volunteer pool is too small. And you're supporting a shitty company.

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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#93

Post by Thews »

jb1991 wrote: post #78
jabbany wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, Apple machines are usually 4 - 10 times more expensive, making this choice still quite difficult.

They are expensive but 10X certainly seems like a stretch. Show me comparably specd hardware only 10% the price of an Apple machine?

A micro ryzen 5600U build with really bad quality components can be half the price of a mac mini with equal CPU performance. If you upgrade all of the mac specs you can probably get a larger divide, but IMO maxed out macs don't make much sense for most people.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#94

Post by throwaway894345 »

Does anyone know how efforts are going to to get Asahi's kernel changes merged back upstream? Has anything been merged upstream already? Is there a roadmap for getting things upstreamed? Are they pursuing an incremental approach to upstreaming individual components or do they have to prove that everything is flawless on Apple silicon before anything can be merged?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#95

Post by coldtea »

nightski wrote: post #68
coldtea wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My fear is that if I were to go this route and purchase the hardware I'd be seeing fraction of the performance and capability I would in Mac OS. The performance is there, it has been running stuff much faster than the vast majority of Intel/AMD laptops for over a year. Regarding the capabilities not sure which one you miss. Do you plan to use it for development, or you want some kind of gaming/multimedia setup? > T…

I don't see why it is unreasonable to desire Apple to provide documentation and open up their hardware. Honestly I'd ask the same as any other hardware vendor. Intel for example provides very detailed technical documents on their new GPUs (A770).

It's not unreasonable, it's just not gonna happen any time soon.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#96

Post by sounds »

londons_explore wrote: post #91
zamadatix wrote: post #11

From a follow up post on Mastadon https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/110497512340479... : "Also in this update: We now have a cpuidle driver, which significantly lowers idle power consumption by enabling deep CPU sleep. You should also get better battery runtime both idle and during sleep, especially on M1 Pro/Max machines. Thanks to the cpuidle driver, s2idle now works properly, which should fix timekeepin…

> e includes base support for the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra SoC Does this mean Apple gave them prerelease hardware early? Might apple start helping these guys more - like for example donating a 5 person dev team for a few months maybe?

M2 Pro/Max were available in January. I think they needed to wait until now to be sure the M2 Ultra announcement didn't have too huge of changes from the way the M1 Ultra was done. In other words, the Asahi Linux team don't have an M2 Ultra to test on, they are getting ready for when they can get some test results, possibly from users.

Please consider donating if you have the means. https://asahilinux.org/support/

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#97

Post by ac29 »

jhoechtl wrote: post #47
kytazo wrote: post #40

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You can get a used M1 mini for more or less 400€. Get a glimpse of whats going on in your local facebook marketplace, most likely you'll come up with nice offers.

You must be kidding right? Who on earth would sell for 400?

Literally the first result on (US) eBay is for 419 euros with "more than 10 available"

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

#98

Post by caskstrength »

coldtea wrote: post #55
nightski wrote: post #4

This is great work and I commend it. But in other threads people are acting like Asahi Linux hardware support is 100% complete. My fear is that if I were to go this route and purchase the hardware I'd be seeing fraction of the performance and capability I would in Mac OS. To be honest this blog post seems like the project has a long ways to go, not that it is nearly completion. I just can't justify buying hardware fr…

> My fear is that if I were to go this route and purchase the hardware I'd be seeing fraction of the performance and capability I would in Mac OS. The performance is there, it has been running stuff much faster than the vast majority of Intel/AMD laptops for over a year. Regarding the capabilities not sure which one you miss. Do you plan to use it for development, or you want some kind of gaming/multimedia setup? > T…

> Regarding the capabilities not sure which one you miss. Do you plan to use it for development, or you want some kind of gaming/multimedia setup?

> It's the other way around. It has been usable as a daily driver for ages.

Honest questions since I haven't been paying attention to Asahi for some time now:

- Does hardware accelerated video decoding work? Including in Firefox?

- Does sleep work properly or do I get significant battery drain after leaving it sleeping during the night time? Also, does it wake up from sleep reliably? Like if you open/close the lid 100 times in a row would it crash?

- How is wifi? Does it work as fast and reliably on Linux as the Intel cards? Supports latest WiFi standard and 6ghz?

This would be my most basic questions to buy MacBook as a daily-driver Linux laptop.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by throwaway894345 »

imiric wrote: post #63
kytazo wrote: post #3

Its been more than a year I'm running asahi on my macbook air and I can't stress how grateful I feel for enjoying such wonderful freedom. I don't feel like ever going back to x86 to be honest, at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run and when the neural engine drivers come online now that the GPU is starting to mature people will be able to juice out every last bit of computation this machine is capabl…

> at this point there is nothing lacking or unable to run Sure there is. You just haven't run into it yourself. Faster, cooler and more power efficient hardware is great. I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS, which might break at any point Apple decides to do so. And the incompatibilities with ARM are not negligib…

Aren't lots of things in Linux dependent on a small team of volunteers? I know the Linux foundation owns the whole kernel, but in practice how many full time people work on the ext4 driver or whathaveyou?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by mattkevan »

jabbany wrote: post #43
jb1991 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve owned both windows and Apple computers, quite many of them, over the last 20 years. On average, the Apple machines last at least twice as long as the windows machines while still being fully usable. One could argue just based on that basic math that they are worth twice the price.

Unfortunately, Apple machines are usually 4 - 10 times more expensive, making this choice still quite difficult.

You mean it’s possible to buy the exact equivalent of a M1 MacBook Air for £99-£249?

Send me the link, that sounds amazing.

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