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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Since you seemed to appreciate logical fallacies, your argument starts with an appeal to emotion [0], then ends with ad hominem [1]. There's no point in your argument, nor in your personal attack, since nobody denied the war or mentioned anything about it in this thread of ours. Siding with the victim doesn't suddenly make your logic perfectly sound, and it doesn't make your peers side with the aggressors, either. Le…

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Cruise missiles don't win wars like this. It requires land forces crossing and holding territory. The narrower parts of Dnipro was the easiest path to doing that in the south.

Those cruise missiles were specifically designed to destroy tough targets like this dam. If either side knew this was going to happen (because they planned it) it would certainly easily be the difference between winning and losing this war.

No. Storm Shadow has a small penetrating warhead. It is designed to punch through reinforced concrete to destroy whatever is within. It is not designed to destroy solid concrete. Otherwise the Crimean bridge would already had been destroyed with one of those super duper warheads.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Yet, you cannot look at it with the naked eye for more than a second & it scorches large areas of Earth leaving only dry desert sand.

There's an oversimplification. Entire bands of the earths surface receive the same amount of sunlight per square metre for similar amounts of average time per day. Only some of these regions are left with only dry desert sand. There might be more to this than simple hours per day of sunlight, topography for one factor.

There's more. Sun is also responsible for floods, typhoons, cyclones and tornadoes. Hundreds of disasters every year.

Come to think of it, energy stored in the dam is the result from the Sun evaporating water from other areas, and then convection currents, aka wind, blowing the clouds over the continent and condensing.

So, it's all energy from a nuclear explosion.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Since you seemed to appreciate logical fallacies, your argument starts with an appeal to emotion [0], then ends with ad hominem [1]. There's no point in your argument, nor in your personal attack, since nobody denied the war or mentioned anything about it in this thread of ours. Siding with the victim doesn't suddenly make your logic perfectly sound, and it doesn't make your peers side with the aggressors, either. Le…

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What are you trying to say? To hell with facts and reason, if they're opposing my politics or emotions?

I guess critics of enlightenment were right: humans ain't improving shit. We're only pretending to, and it works only as long as the culture allows it.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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I'm not sure Ukraine ever planned a large-scale crossing of the Dnipro from Kherson. Certainly not for the main thrust of the counter offensive.

Ukraine needed to present a credible threat to cross there to pin Russian forces in the area. Now that it's basically impossible to cross the river, Russia can redeploy the majority of the forces to other areas.

Was it ever feasible for them to cross the Dnipro with heavy equipment though? It already seemed too wide for pontoon bridges?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Interesting question. How badly does someone have to behave before you feel you have a moral blank cheque in stopping them. I think starting a war counts.

> How badly does someone have to behave before you feel you have a moral blank cheque in stopping them. No such point? I don't think you processed what a "moral blank cheque" means.

MrOwnPut: >That doesn't give a blank check to do whatever you want without criticism.

FredPret >moral blank cheque

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don'…

Don't confuse "pro-Russian" with "anti-bullshit" stance. Finding Russia to be the aggressor and Ukraine to be the victim doesn't automatically imply you have to throw away all your mental faculties and gobble up wartime propaganda without questioning, reducing yourself to a binary classifier - "it says Ukraine good == it's good; otherwise, it's pro-Russian trolling". War time is literally the last moment you want to…

Anyone who values STEM and the legacy of enlightenment that has made STEM possible should definitely pledge allegiance to the Western side in a conflict with Russia or China, even if that includes repeating wartime propaganda at times. I find it perfectly rational.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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It's really easy to find: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33285734

GP probably didn't want to expand because of their previous experience.

Either way, you derailed the discussion more than anyone else and contributed the least, don't you think?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Sad how much destruction war brings.

It's also weird how totally unnecessary all of this is. You could probably say that about most wars really, but this one is entirely pointless. Russia didn't have to invade at all. They can go home at any time and it'd all just stop. It'll be hard enough to deal with all the loss and damage that's been done already.
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