And there is already nazi shit on the frontpage. No thanks!
Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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#172Every time I see social media recreated in a decentralised fashion I realise why the successful ones are centralised. The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. In any case, it sounds like we'll be getting many new Reddit clones so I may as well plug what I've built recently: a Reddit alternative API that is free. Check it out if you're…
When visiting the link, chrome just suggested I may mean to visit "reddit", never seen that before. I have safe browsing disabled, so I'm at a lost from where this comes from. https://i.imgur.com/l57osTi.png
clearly an anti phishing filter
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#173I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything. We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit'…
I agree. A lot of people seem to believe that centralization is the problem, and ignore Wikipedia, which has been true to its mission far longer than Reddit or Twitter have, and it never needed a decentralized model. The simple explanation is that it's the profit motive that is the problem. That can be fixed with the proper organizational structure. I wish the Mozilla Foundation would stand up Reddit and Twitter clon…
I couldn't agree more - the profit motive brings a whole bundle of perverse incentives.
Well-managed centralization does allow for governance, where things like moderation and technology decisions are difficult to leave up users. It's sad what happened to the public square of Twitter. There really isn't a viable alternative at the moment which has the reputation of a neutral ground where people can exchange discourse with relatively even chance of being heard, for all its problems.
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#174People are arguing about the contents, which is kind of shallow, it can be always managed in some way later. I’m more interested in the technicality, what’s the protocol, the architecture, how file are saved and served, encrypted? How about the minimum X to run the service, is it P2P as in all clients serve or only select few nodes? Who manages and operates these nodes? Is it a honeypot? Among others. Regardless, It’…
high level whitepaper: https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2 the protocol is a light protocol over IPFS/IPNS/Libp2p Gossipsub IPFS files (JSON/base64): https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-js#schema Gossipsub protocol messages (CBOR): https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-js#pubsub-message-types There's also a FAQ https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md
There is a disdain for federated protocols but I hardly see how this is any different except that there are no explicit federation features.
The "subplebbit" owner acts like the operator of a Mastodon or Matrix instance except as mentioned above, those were designed to aggregate data across instances.
The fundamental problem with these decentralised platforms is that they want to get rid of the human element but if you just let anyone get away with anything and everyone rehosts everyone else's data unconditionally, then you get something like zeronet which has its own Reddit clone. The problem with zeronet is that people advertise their illegal porn on your supposedly "family friendly" Reddit clone and your users involuntarily download it and make themselves criminally liable. Whether something should be legal or not is a philosophical question, someone has to make a decision and then enforce it. Any platform where users are allowed to upload arbitrary information requires moderation. There is no way around this. The only benefit of a decentralized app is that you can have smaller self hosted communities.
I spent a lot of time evaluating the technical viability of decentralised apps and honestly you should avoid it even if your use case requires it.
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#176I don't know why but this somehow taxes my CPU more than the official Reddit site, which is kind of impressive in a way. The theme itself is a good Reddit replica, but I don't think IPFS has the necessary performance to run apps like these. Maybe it can live become a Lemmy frontend for the FOSS/fediverse crowd?
The number of third party domains this site needs to hit to even load any posts on the front page is insane. I'm looking at a list of domains like "etherscan", ipfs gateways, pokt... all kinds of shady sounding bullshit and it isn't at all clear to me what I would need to whitelist to get this site to work: http://0x0.st/Hbkj.jpg Yes I know this is "my fault" for being a weirdo who doesn't blindly let his browser hit…
Welcome to dApps where everything requires centralized gateways or you must run half a dozen of your own full nodes with 1TB storage each.
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
#177Every time I see social media recreated in a decentralised fashion I realise why the successful ones are centralised. The loading times of this are dreadful and I don't see how you'll be able to solve that problem when you're relying on P2P. In any case, it sounds like we'll be getting many new Reddit clones so I may as well plug what I've built recently: a Reddit alternative API that is free. Check it out if you're…
So are you scraping reddit behind this ?
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
#178I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything. We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit'…
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Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
#179I don't think technology is the problem here. Rather, it is the evergreen gullibility of humans, showing their willingness to trust their communities and memories and volunteerism to corporations which then seize control of everything. We had a P2P and open source Reddit alternative 40 years ago, called Usenet. But people fell for a centralized one run by a company once it came along, like they always do. May Reddit'…
I agree. A lot of people seem to believe that centralization is the problem, and ignore Wikipedia, which has been true to its mission far longer than Reddit or Twitter have, and it never needed a decentralized model. The simple explanation is that it's the profit motive that is the problem. That can be fixed with the proper organizational structure. I wish the Mozilla Foundation would stand up Reddit and Twitter clon…
I spent a lot of time on Wikipedia back in the day. It is monstrously screwed up too, less by the profit motive per se than by innate bureaucratic urges, and (in the Wikimedia Foundation's case) the desire to control a bunch of money and direct it to one's pet projects, which is the next best thing to getting one's own hands on the money. Besides money, the other corrupting substance is Google search rank, which leads to a single article repo that everyone wants to control. The search rank attractor stops the editing community from splitting off. The profit motive is a particular form of status seeking, and one of very potent influence, but there are other forms too, and Wikipedia has those a-plenty.
Wikipedia's original vision was 1) to free the content and the communities for forking as well as copying, and 2) to give everyone in the world a free encyclopedia in his or her own language. I have a big rant about that but the quick version is that Wikipedia.org (the web site, not the project) should have been designed like Github, so you would use it for editing and creating forks, but (mostly) not for reading articles. Instead, whenever you buy a new consumer PC, through deals set up by the WMF, Wikipedia in every language should already be on its hard drive (you can delete it if you want the space instead). You'd read articles locally instead of through a privacy invading web site and internet surveillance apparatus, you'd get updates through a nightly equivalent of git pull that got all the changes with no indication of what you had been reading, you could downstream your copy to your friends or followers, you could make a fork and downstream that if you don't like Wikipedia's policies, etc.
I agree with you that Wikipedia doesn't have the exact same problems as Reddit. It is arguably not as bad as the current version of Reddit (we're here right now because Reddit is about to get much worse), but it has its own problems, spreads propaganda that is taken more seriously than Reddit posts are, etc.
Come to think of it, we also had a perfectly good distributed, peer to peer, FOSS source control system called Git, but it got mostly supplanted by a centralized "hub" now run by Microsoft, the original closed source empire. It never stops.
And to get there first: please don't bother saying that forking Wikipedia is permitted under its licensing, since that is near irrelevant in practice. It could and should be made simple and easy. Wikipedia's main value these days seems to be AI training rather than informing humans, which was supposed to be the point of an encyclopedia.
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#180Musk claims the only solution to bots in 2023 is paid accounts. I kinda agree with him. There is no captcha that's going to keep out determined spammers. Even reddit is filled with bots. You either try to eliminate bots through paid accounts, real ID verification... Or you filter based on quality of content (ie. bots are allowed to post, as long as what they say and do is indistinguishable from a human - like reddit…
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